Posted Jun 26, 2008 at 09:27PM by Glen D.
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 In an article earlier posted by IGN previewing Epic Games' upcoming Gears of War 2, an interesting remark was dropped by team member Cliff Bleszinski about Kojima Productions' hit Metal Gear Solid series. The developer said that the MGS model isn't one that they'll be following in terms of storytelling,in GoW 2."Metal Gear Solid is our example of the game we're not doing," Bleszinski commented when he discussed how cut scenes will drive GoW 2's story. "Passive entertainment is on its way out." "Games aren't movies and aren't consumed in a single sitting," he continued as he talked about hooking up with Web 2.0 among other game design elements. This is indeed a contrasting view on Hideo Kojima's famous "interactive movie" view on building a storyline. Oh well, to each his own we guess. The GoW and MGS franchises are two very different things whose story lines just can't be told in a similar way. |
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by scarface_tha_second - 2008-06-26 |
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» GOW is amazing
It is easily my favourite game for the 360...can't wait for the second one.
One thing to Cliffy B though: you have a long way to go before you are anywhere close to Hideo Kojima...Gears of War is amazing...but like you said it yourself...it isn't (and will never be) MGS.
It is easily my favourite game for the 360...can't wait for the second one.
One thing to Cliffy B though: you have a long way to go before you are anywhere close to Hideo Kojima...Gears of War is amazing...but like you said it yourself...it isn't (and will never be) MGS.
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Re: HakatoX - 2008-06-26 |
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» so very true
But Cliffy B is a legend in his own rights. Although I think it is rather pompous of him to take a jab at one of the greatest story tellers that has graced the digital medium.
But Cliffy B is a legend in his own rights. Although I think it is rather pompous of him to take a jab at one of the greatest story tellers that has graced the digital medium.
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Re: jbwzrd213 - 2008-06-26 |
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» I here you, man.
Cliffy B. is pretty cool and has a great game out but it will never be a Metal Gear Solid (a.k.a.) the greatest game ever.
Gears of War's story will never touch the hearts of gamers like Metal Gear Solid nor will it interact with the gamers like MGS does.
Sorry, Cliffy.
Cliffy B. is pretty cool and has a great game out but it will never be a Metal Gear Solid (a.k.a.) the greatest game ever.
Gears of War's story will never touch the hearts of gamers like Metal Gear Solid nor will it interact with the gamers like MGS does.
Sorry, Cliffy.
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Re: xche78x - 2008-06-27 |
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» wonder when will i see the sidebar with GeoW >>>
all i see are MGS4's
all i see are MGS4's
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Re: hush404 - 2008-06-27 |
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» Simply put.
He CAN'T pull a metal gear solid, because he doesn't have even a 1/16 of the talent that Kojima does in order to pull off such a feat.
Anyone who thinks gears even comes close to comparison to MGS in terms of story telling should crawl back under the rock they came from. Gears in like every other shooter ever made by C.B and his 'steroid pumped character' loving friends.
You're merely going to have fighting because of the game's two allegiances to their respected consoles.
He CAN'T pull a metal gear solid, because he doesn't have even a 1/16 of the talent that Kojima does in order to pull off such a feat.
Anyone who thinks gears even comes close to comparison to MGS in terms of story telling should crawl back under the rock they came from. Gears in like every other shooter ever made by C.B and his 'steroid pumped character' loving friends.
You're merely going to have fighting because of the game's two allegiances to their respected consoles.
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Re: GorillaApe - 2008-06-28 |
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» CLIFF-FAKE
IF U POP IN THE BLURAY MOVIE U GET WITH MGS4 SE INTO QUOTE BY CLIFF STATES "MGS IS 1 OF THE GREATEST GAME MADE".
IF U POP IN THE BLURAY MOVIE U GET WITH MGS4 SE INTO QUOTE BY CLIFF STATES "MGS IS 1 OF THE GREATEST GAME MADE".
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by Spawnx777x - 2008-06-26 |
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» mgs
is the best game series ever, nothing can top its story, and no game has a storyline that lasted through so many games over so many years.
is the best game series ever, nothing can top its story, and no game has a storyline that lasted through so many games over so many years.
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Re: houaruto - 2008-06-27 |
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» I am impress all the xbot fan boys ran and hide
usually about this time in the first few weeks is when they bash every single PS3 games that come out..........where have they all gone...........does anyone notice this but me....seems they can't find anything bad to say bout MGS4 and ran to hide wid their tail in between their legs.................they said Halo 3 was a console seller and it barely made anyone move their ass to buy a xbox360.....as a matter of fact I just bought my 80 gig PS3 a week ago and it's nonstop excitement...................my two 2 co-workers who own a x360 also bought the MGS4 bundle, MGS4 is a true console seller and it ain't all about hype like Halo, it earned its popularity......almost all stores I go to are sold out...so I didn't even bother going in to GAMESTOP to get it..........seems to me all xbox360 owners went to hide or the majority of it converted over to PS3 due to MGS4 and many great games to come....MGS4 was a flawless game and everything transition over so naturally in the cut scenes........guess i'ma go another round at MGS4 so I can take a smack at liquid ocelot's face....chao
usually about this time in the first few weeks is when they bash every single PS3 games that come out..........where have they all gone...........does anyone notice this but me....seems they can't find anything bad to say bout MGS4 and ran to hide wid their tail in between their legs.................they said Halo 3 was a console seller and it barely made anyone move their ass to buy a xbox360.....as a matter of fact I just bought my 80 gig PS3 a week ago and it's nonstop excitement...................my two 2 co-workers who own a x360 also bought the MGS4 bundle, MGS4 is a true console seller and it ain't all about hype like Halo, it earned its popularity......almost all stores I go to are sold out...so I didn't even bother going in to GAMESTOP to get it..........seems to me all xbox360 owners went to hide or the majority of it converted over to PS3 due to MGS4 and many great games to come....MGS4 was a flawless game and everything transition over so naturally in the cut scenes........guess i'ma go another round at MGS4 so I can take a smack at liquid ocelot's face....chao
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Re: VgSlag - 2008-06-27 |
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» ...
Or they're not just silly little children and can say something is good when it is.
I have the Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 and until now my PS3 didn't get played... but MGS4 is an excellent game and any console owner can see that.
Or they're not just silly little children and can say something is good when it is.
I have the Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 and until now my PS3 didn't get played... but MGS4 is an excellent game and any console owner can see that.
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Re: CatchEisley - 2008-06-27 |
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» Houaruto
Yeah it's true that the MGS series is one of the best gaming series to date, but you can't deny that Halo was also a great series for gaming. You just sound like a PS3 fanboy jabbing at Xbox fanboys. When will the fanboy wars just end and people enjoy what really matters, the games?
Yeah it's true that the MGS series is one of the best gaming series to date, but you can't deny that Halo was also a great series for gaming. You just sound like a PS3 fanboy jabbing at Xbox fanboys. When will the fanboy wars just end and people enjoy what really matters, the games?
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Re: Koolaidsred1 - 2008-06-27 |
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» @ houaruto
all though MGS4 is the best game in the world to me, I work at Toys R us in time square in NYC, which btw is the number 3 tourist attraction in NYC and we have a crap load of MGS4's and idk if we are getting major shipments or if they're not selling(i don't work in that department) but where i work they are never sold out. I cant imagine it's still selling that well still. I could be very wrong though and sorry if i am i know I'm just one store.
all though MGS4 is the best game in the world to me, I work at Toys R us in time square in NYC, which btw is the number 3 tourist attraction in NYC and we have a crap load of MGS4's and idk if we are getting major shipments or if they're not selling(i don't work in that department) but where i work they are never sold out. I cant imagine it's still selling that well still. I could be very wrong though and sorry if i am i know I'm just one store.
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Re: Eclipze_ - 2008-06-27 |
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» well koolaid
The thing is I don't think many people buy their games at Toys R' Us. I'm pretty sure if the average person wants a game they'll go to a place that has game in the name: Gamespot, EB games, lol gamefly.. I'm sure if you worked at EB games or gamespot it would be very different.
The thing is I don't think many people buy their games at Toys R' Us. I'm pretty sure if the average person wants a game they'll go to a place that has game in the name: Gamespot, EB games, lol gamefly.. I'm sure if you worked at EB games or gamespot it would be very different.
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Re: houaruto - 2008-06-28 |
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» @VgSlag
Wow trying to act all mightly, righteous, and grown up now hun skippy...I doubt you're that clean if you have to defend xbot fan queers and throw in most fanboy lover halo in da mix...........as far as I'm concern, xbots are too dam jealous MGS4 is PS3 exclusive, their neither beating themself up over it, converterred to the PS3 camp, hide in fear of the mighty game, lost in sleep into a coma dreaming bout how magnificent it will be to be able to play MGS4.........don't pretend to be nuetral and then defend your fanboy's side.......it just shows your true cause neutral people don't care what one camp say to another......*boommmm* bullseye...shot him right in the head........
this fire on both side will never die...corrections except for when microsoft's xbox bites the dust...that's very soon, then it's over..............I'm not stupid and I've done my homework......as soon as another title comes out for PS3 that's not at MGS4's trampling greatness (aka most games)......xbot fanboys will be the first to post the most nastiest craptastic selfimagine Bull$h1t bout it.....it's just the nature of the beast that everyone who owns a PS3 have witnessed.
Wow trying to act all mightly, righteous, and grown up now hun skippy...I doubt you're that clean if you have to defend xbot fan queers and throw in most fanboy lover halo in da mix...........as far as I'm concern, xbots are too dam jealous MGS4 is PS3 exclusive, their neither beating themself up over it, converterred to the PS3 camp, hide in fear of the mighty game, lost in sleep into a coma dreaming bout how magnificent it will be to be able to play MGS4.........don't pretend to be nuetral and then defend your fanboy's side.......it just shows your true cause neutral people don't care what one camp say to another......*boommmm* bullseye...shot him right in the head........
this fire on both side will never die...corrections except for when microsoft's xbox bites the dust...that's very soon, then it's over..............I'm not stupid and I've done my homework......as soon as another title comes out for PS3 that's not at MGS4's trampling greatness (aka most games)......xbot fanboys will be the first to post the most nastiest craptastic selfimagine Bull$h1t bout it.....it's just the nature of the beast that everyone who owns a PS3 have witnessed.
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Re: illjot - 2008-06-28 |
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» @haouruto
WOW you are a loser man.I love my PS3 and also own all other consoles( I prefer my PS3, and my most anticipated title final fantasy 13 which I believe has a chance to compete with my all time fav FFX will be heading exclusively to it). You are amazingly ignorant Houruto. VgSlag I commend you for trying to be the bigger person like the great Philly D. Said(not exact quote) anonymous and stupid are dangerous combination. Please stop the ignorance PS3 Is a media monster house but MGS 4 alone doesn't make up for the lack of decent exclusives for a year(save the amazing resistance,) or the disappointments of lair. As I have said since the day i got a 360 (previous to which I was a Sony fanboy) both systems are great although PS3 will eventually beat 360. And then utterly crush it with a lifespan potentially double to that of the 360. And until Microsoft announces the new system 360 will be very close to the PS3. Before this year the 360 had crushed the PS3 utterly (although Sony gave them alot of help with b.s. Lair + Motor Storm and handing over the majority of there good exclusives to become multiplatform). But mgs4 marks the rising of the ps3 its first killer exclusive (i have not played i bought the boxset and is sitting in my basement but I want to no the story so i chose to play the earlier games in the series first) and 360 has enjoyed killer console exclusives for a while (Crackdown, Halo 3, Bioshock, Mass Effect).
WOW you are a loser man.I love my PS3 and also own all other consoles( I prefer my PS3, and my most anticipated title final fantasy 13 which I believe has a chance to compete with my all time fav FFX will be heading exclusively to it). You are amazingly ignorant Houruto. VgSlag I commend you for trying to be the bigger person like the great Philly D. Said(not exact quote) anonymous and stupid are dangerous combination. Please stop the ignorance PS3 Is a media monster house but MGS 4 alone doesn't make up for the lack of decent exclusives for a year(save the amazing resistance,) or the disappointments of lair. As I have said since the day i got a 360 (previous to which I was a Sony fanboy) both systems are great although PS3 will eventually beat 360. And then utterly crush it with a lifespan potentially double to that of the 360. And until Microsoft announces the new system 360 will be very close to the PS3. Before this year the 360 had crushed the PS3 utterly (although Sony gave them alot of help with b.s. Lair + Motor Storm and handing over the majority of there good exclusives to become multiplatform). But mgs4 marks the rising of the ps3 its first killer exclusive (i have not played i bought the boxset and is sitting in my basement but I want to no the story so i chose to play the earlier games in the series first) and 360 has enjoyed killer console exclusives for a while (Crackdown, Halo 3, Bioshock, Mass Effect).
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Re: houaruto - 2008-06-29 |
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» wow x box is so special...not
there was nothing special to crackdown, mass effect only mange a dwindling 200k sales 4 it's first week and too many xbox fanboys are too busy playing FPS to care about RPG type of game of masseffect.......................... halo3 was only hype and will only stay that way/ halo2 second half, Bio shock on the other hand was well design and has pretty decent gameplay and I agree it's a good game................of all these games the RPG MassEffect will be worthless on xbox, and all the rest are nothing but shooter games...............and mass effect is coming to PS3 so I don't even know why u are bragging about games on the xbox......Halo is the only one that stands out and everything is a mere shadow overcast by all that overhype..........it's a shame.........and please have some guts and stop hiding behind that "I have all the system act" and jump to defend your xbox queers.......................I've said it before and i'll say it again......you'll just show your true colors.........................................xbox has potential but just focusing on one type of game *cough*FPS*cough* is like Ford saying back then that no other company can compete with them so they'll just make all cars in the color black and hope to be the best automobile company out there.........look what happen other companies came in like Honda and Toyota.....
there was nothing special to crackdown, mass effect only mange a dwindling 200k sales 4 it's first week and too many xbox fanboys are too busy playing FPS to care about RPG type of game of masseffect.......................... halo3 was only hype and will only stay that way/ halo2 second half, Bio shock on the other hand was well design and has pretty decent gameplay and I agree it's a good game................of all these games the RPG MassEffect will be worthless on xbox, and all the rest are nothing but shooter games...............and mass effect is coming to PS3 so I don't even know why u are bragging about games on the xbox......Halo is the only one that stands out and everything is a mere shadow overcast by all that overhype..........it's a shame.........and please have some guts and stop hiding behind that "I have all the system act" and jump to defend your xbox queers.......................I've said it before and i'll say it again......you'll just show your true colors.........................................xbox has potential but just focusing on one type of game *cough*FPS*cough* is like Ford saying back then that no other company can compete with them so they'll just make all cars in the color black and hope to be the best automobile company out there.........look what happen other companies came in like Honda and Toyota.....
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by Apeaggedon - 2008-06-26 |
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» lol
that dude is such a dumbass!
MGS4 is the most compelling story that has changed the world of story telling since the begining ... notice i said "since the begining".
lol he has no clue wut he's talking about and even xbox fan boys will relize that... plus the story in the first quearsOw WAS terrible enuf to recieve bad reviews from the fans themselves saying" its all about the gameplay" and "no one really cared that much about the story at all. why does he decide NOW to make a "story" ?? idiots never learn do they? ( shakes head ).
all microsoft does is just critisize every other company thinking they are the only ones out there. sony's wise and MATURE self decides not to respond to their trash talkin cuz they cant back it up. as sony backs it all up one way or another ( i dont pay enuf attention to the wii so i wouldnt know about them).
and of course MIcrosoft are a bunch of amatuears takin right out of universities and colleges wen they came out with the xbox,as sony are EXPERIENCED mature, advanced, masterful individuals who know wut they are doing and how to go about doing it the SMART way.
well i guess thats it for me.. oh wait one more thing.
GoW2 will not even get a 10 for the fact of repeditivness,crap story telling,no opened mindness anywere in GoW2,and of course... lack of BRAINS and SKILLS.
lol ok im done.
that dude is such a dumbass!
MGS4 is the most compelling story that has changed the world of story telling since the begining ... notice i said "since the begining".
lol he has no clue wut he's talking about and even xbox fan boys will relize that... plus the story in the first quearsOw WAS terrible enuf to recieve bad reviews from the fans themselves saying" its all about the gameplay" and "no one really cared that much about the story at all. why does he decide NOW to make a "story" ?? idiots never learn do they? ( shakes head ).
all microsoft does is just critisize every other company thinking they are the only ones out there. sony's wise and MATURE self decides not to respond to their trash talkin cuz they cant back it up. as sony backs it all up one way or another ( i dont pay enuf attention to the wii so i wouldnt know about them).
and of course MIcrosoft are a bunch of amatuears takin right out of universities and colleges wen they came out with the xbox,as sony are EXPERIENCED mature, advanced, masterful individuals who know wut they are doing and how to go about doing it the SMART way.
well i guess thats it for me.. oh wait one more thing.
GoW2 will not even get a 10 for the fact of repeditivness,crap story telling,no opened mindness anywere in GoW2,and of course... lack of BRAINS and SKILLS.
lol ok im done.
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Re: jbwzrd213 - 2008-06-26 |
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» Wow...
You, Apeaggedon, are one smart man. +)
You, Apeaggedon, are one smart man. +)
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Re: aroxim - 2008-06-26 |
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» Brilliant
i could not have said anything even close to as brilliant as you did...
props man :D
i could not have said anything even close to as brilliant as you did...
props man :D
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Re: Silver-Tiger - 2008-06-26 |
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ok, I agree with you that MGS is one of the best games out there, but the rest was complete and utter crap. GoW's story was cool and the gameplay was ok. It was not perfect but it was playable.
Oh and calling Microsoft workers "amateurs" is BS. Microsoft pratically was there from the beginning of computers. They were the first to make a visual good and working OS.
"lack of BRAINS and SKILLS." - What? the players or the producers? you have to learn how to write a sentence that everybody understands. Judging from your grammar, you can't be older than 12.
I'm not trying to protect Microsoft, actually I'm myself a Sony-Supporter(SEE, a Supporter, not a stupid fanboy), but I can't stand it if people are lying and spinning around the facts about things they don't even know about.
ok, I agree with you that MGS is one of the best games out there, but the rest was complete and utter crap. GoW's story was cool and the gameplay was ok. It was not perfect but it was playable.
Oh and calling Microsoft workers "amateurs" is BS. Microsoft pratically was there from the beginning of computers. They were the first to make a visual good and working OS.
"lack of BRAINS and SKILLS." - What? the players or the producers? you have to learn how to write a sentence that everybody understands. Judging from your grammar, you can't be older than 12.
I'm not trying to protect Microsoft, actually I'm myself a Sony-Supporter(SEE, a Supporter, not a stupid fanboy), but I can't stand it if people are lying and spinning around the facts about things they don't even know about.
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Re: jbwzrd213 - 2008-06-27 |
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» @ Silver-Tiger
I'm sorry but the Microsoft people can't be too smart if their OS's both always seem to get the blue screen of death or just suck in general. Also, if you talk to anyone who knows a thing or two about computers, most of them HATE Windows with a passion.
And one last thing: Bill Gates just modified a version of Linux's FAT32 system to make Windows and removed the terminal and implemented a command line with new codes.
Please, next time, do your research.
I'm sorry but the Microsoft people can't be too smart if their OS's both always seem to get the blue screen of death or just suck in general. Also, if you talk to anyone who knows a thing or two about computers, most of them HATE Windows with a passion.
And one last thing: Bill Gates just modified a version of Linux's FAT32 system to make Windows and removed the terminal and implemented a command line with new codes.
Please, next time, do your research.
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by platon - 2008-06-26 |
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» yeah.... so?
So he said he's doing games without any kind of story that try to say the least so we can play more instead of "watching" movies right? lol.
I suppose that's why I didn't like GOW1 when I had an x360. Still, beside having no story, I also didn't like the fact that you almost only use one gun for all the game. In the end, I really hated the 2 hours I lost on GOW, it was boring. Not that it's a bad game, tons of people liked it. But saying MGS4 is not a model, lol. At least he said it's not a model "for them".
But he's so wrong. People are not buying final fantasy games (for exemple) so they can play non stop without having to sit back and "wait" while the movies are played, lol. Movies IS THE WAY! If they don't want movies in the game, they AT LEAST have to make movies where you have to press a button or something like the resident evil 4 movies, lol. Without movies, a game is lame unless the story is not important, like in warhawk for exemple.
Movies in a game is the way! And movies are almost always really cool, with tons of moves and stuff that it's impossible to have in a game.
Man, Epic's guys can do good games (for people that aren't like me, for people who likes halo and GOW games instead of crysis) but they can't understand the market, and they seem to be the kind of guy you encounter in texas or so. The usual non-smart guys that loves bush, lol.
ps: Texas is the place in north america that has the lowest mid-IQ. And the President is from there, pretty bad heh? Please vote for Obama! :D
So he said he's doing games without any kind of story that try to say the least so we can play more instead of "watching" movies right? lol.
I suppose that's why I didn't like GOW1 when I had an x360. Still, beside having no story, I also didn't like the fact that you almost only use one gun for all the game. In the end, I really hated the 2 hours I lost on GOW, it was boring. Not that it's a bad game, tons of people liked it. But saying MGS4 is not a model, lol. At least he said it's not a model "for them".
But he's so wrong. People are not buying final fantasy games (for exemple) so they can play non stop without having to sit back and "wait" while the movies are played, lol. Movies IS THE WAY! If they don't want movies in the game, they AT LEAST have to make movies where you have to press a button or something like the resident evil 4 movies, lol. Without movies, a game is lame unless the story is not important, like in warhawk for exemple.
Movies in a game is the way! And movies are almost always really cool, with tons of moves and stuff that it's impossible to have in a game.
Man, Epic's guys can do good games (for people that aren't like me, for people who likes halo and GOW games instead of crysis) but they can't understand the market, and they seem to be the kind of guy you encounter in texas or so. The usual non-smart guys that loves bush, lol.
ps: Texas is the place in north america that has the lowest mid-IQ. And the President is from there, pretty bad heh? Please vote for Obama! :D
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Re: houaruto - 2008-06-27 |
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» storylines r not important....WTF
how do u identify 3 shooter games or 3 rpg games. Why r some games epic and others not....why does some games dig their claws into u n u get hooked...It's all about storylines man......storylines makes a game more than just a game.........it's what brings it to life...it's the reason u decide to fight for/to start slashing/shooting/ or jacking other people cars and driveby shooting ya enemies.........it's all part of the storyline..................anyone that says storyline is not important don't understand games and definitely don't know the basics of gaming and how to hook people on a game.....the reason I love final fantasy is not to plainly level up only...........or wid MGS4 to just sneak up on someone to slit their throat........if story wasn't important i might as well go back to playing duck hunting and shoot duck all day on nintendo.
how do u identify 3 shooter games or 3 rpg games. Why r some games epic and others not....why does some games dig their claws into u n u get hooked...It's all about storylines man......storylines makes a game more than just a game.........it's what brings it to life...it's the reason u decide to fight for/to start slashing/shooting/ or jacking other people cars and driveby shooting ya enemies.........it's all part of the storyline..................anyone that says storyline is not important don't understand games and definitely don't know the basics of gaming and how to hook people on a game.....the reason I love final fantasy is not to plainly level up only...........or wid MGS4 to just sneak up on someone to slit their throat........if story wasn't important i might as well go back to playing duck hunting and shoot duck all day on nintendo.
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Re: Annony - 2008-06-27 |
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» Yay! Politics!
Your train of thought was on track until it got derailed by the blatant "non-smart-ness" of your 'progressive' and 'holier-than-thou' political rant.
No cookie for you, or Obama.
Your train of thought was on track until it got derailed by the blatant "non-smart-ness" of your 'progressive' and 'holier-than-thou' political rant.
No cookie for you, or Obama.
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Re: joebuttons1 - 2008-07-08 |
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» WTF platoon
You my friend are the dumb ass. My point I want to get across is that the PS3's cell broadband engine was developed in Austin, Texas in collaboration with SONY, IBM, AND TOSHIBA and WTF TI (Texas Instruments) is one of the US's most known advanced technological companies they where even at CES (Consumer Electronics Show) so do some homework before you start flamming a State because of what its portrayed as by other dumb asses like you so STFU! and again WTF the lowest IQ: do some *****ing research b!tch, Texas's state test known as TAKS (TEXAS ASSESMENT OF KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS) is recognised as one of the toughest state tests in the US, so again STFU u b!tch a ss b!tch P.S. eveyone in Texas hates Bush and wishes he wasn't frm here, oh yeah vote fot Obama :D
You my friend are the dumb ass. My point I want to get across is that the PS3's cell broadband engine was developed in Austin, Texas in collaboration with SONY, IBM, AND TOSHIBA and WTF TI (Texas Instruments) is one of the US's most known advanced technological companies they where even at CES (Consumer Electronics Show) so do some homework before you start flamming a State because of what its portrayed as by other dumb asses like you so STFU! and again WTF the lowest IQ: do some *****ing research b!tch, Texas's state test known as TAKS (TEXAS ASSESMENT OF KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS) is recognised as one of the toughest state tests in the US, so again STFU u b!tch a ss b!tch P.S. eveyone in Texas hates Bush and wishes he wasn't frm here, oh yeah vote fot Obama :D
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by teh not so 1337 g@m3r - 2008-06-26 |
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» I agree with him
As a PS3 and 360 owner, and an owner of both GOW1 and MGS4 (and 2 and 3): I prefer playing my games, not watching them. If I wanted to watch 90 minute cut scenes, I'd watch a movie, not a video game.
As a PS3 and 360 owner, and an owner of both GOW1 and MGS4 (and 2 and 3): I prefer playing my games, not watching them. If I wanted to watch 90 minute cut scenes, I'd watch a movie, not a video game.
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Re: trixter - 2008-06-29 |
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» Agreed
I like your comment - short and sweet and to the point and I couldn't agree more. I like a story so don't get me wrong - but surely they can keep the extended story junk for the extra DVD or something.
I like your comment - short and sweet and to the point and I couldn't agree more. I like a story so don't get me wrong - but surely they can keep the extended story junk for the extra DVD or something.
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by Apeaggedon - 2008-06-26 |
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» thanx jb and aro.
i just relize the facts before i speak ( sometimes lol )...
hey BTW 1337 g@mer, i would have to disagree and agree.
i agree that watching a 90 minute cut scene can overwelm some gamers and eventually get tiresome BUT... however having enuf gameplay to satisfy and keep the gamer hooked to controlling the story WITH at the same time,having that 90 minute cut scene to satisfy the story telling and grow into that gamer for that point in the game.
anotherwords, the 90 minute cut scene alone wont do it for a compelling story in a game BUT a 90 minute cut scene with tons of hours of gameplay to attach to the story will justify the game ( a.k.a MGS4).
i just relize the facts before i speak ( sometimes lol )...
hey BTW 1337 g@mer, i would have to disagree and agree.
i agree that watching a 90 minute cut scene can overwelm some gamers and eventually get tiresome BUT... however having enuf gameplay to satisfy and keep the gamer hooked to controlling the story WITH at the same time,having that 90 minute cut scene to satisfy the story telling and grow into that gamer for that point in the game.
anotherwords, the 90 minute cut scene alone wont do it for a compelling story in a game BUT a 90 minute cut scene with tons of hours of gameplay to attach to the story will justify the game ( a.k.a MGS4).
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by GorillaApe - 2008-06-26 |
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» HAHA
To be truthfully GoW was gay game i dont know what you would see in HALO or GoW Im not saying this to show that im ps3 "FANBOY" i love my 360 just as much as i love my ps3. CLIFF's just saying that because MGS series is one hell of a game.I DONT ANYONE THAT HAS PLAYED MGS AND HATED IT
To be truthfully GoW was gay game i dont know what you would see in HALO or GoW Im not saying this to show that im ps3 "FANBOY" i love my 360 just as much as i love my ps3. CLIFF's just saying that because MGS series is one hell of a game.I DONT ANYONE THAT HAS PLAYED MGS AND HATED IT
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by Andrewlee_619 - 2008-06-26 |
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» well
as a owner of all current game consoles...
cliff is jus saying he's just not going to make a game like MGS
that is fine
but he did take a low blow with the cutscenes.
he should just continue to expand on his career
we all need to calm down
as a owner of all current game consoles...
cliff is jus saying he's just not going to make a game like MGS
that is fine
but he did take a low blow with the cutscenes.
he should just continue to expand on his career
we all need to calm down
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by DeviousDraX - 2008-06-27 |
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» hmmmmm.....
I think what Cliff means is... that his game isn't taking control out of gamers' hands by having elaborate cut scenes taking you out of the game experience. He's about keep you focused in game on the war between humanity and the locusts. The mindset of a soldier on the battlefield in real life doesn't have time to think about the past and long drawn out conversations! It's war, kill or be killed. And between the two games Metal Gear Solid series holds a real romanticized view of events and situations that if were real Snake would have died a long time ago. So Cliffy B is basically is trying to deliver a fantasy game grounded with real warlike gameplay that's a little over the top in style.
I think what Cliff means is... that his game isn't taking control out of gamers' hands by having elaborate cut scenes taking you out of the game experience. He's about keep you focused in game on the war between humanity and the locusts. The mindset of a soldier on the battlefield in real life doesn't have time to think about the past and long drawn out conversations! It's war, kill or be killed. And between the two games Metal Gear Solid series holds a real romanticized view of events and situations that if were real Snake would have died a long time ago. So Cliffy B is basically is trying to deliver a fantasy game grounded with real warlike gameplay that's a little over the top in style.
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Re: Eclipze_ - 2008-06-27 |
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» well..
If you wanna talk about real.. In a real battlefield there isn't a constant war going on all the time. Look at Iraq and places like that, do you see them fighting every second? Metal gear didn't do anything "fake" because those "long drawn out conversations" actually fit into the game. And if you notice those conversations never happened when he was in the middle of a battle. And please tell me where Snake thinks about the past while in a battle..
Don't talk about how if it were real snake would have died a long time ago when you have the gears of war guy fighting a whole bunch of huge alian things and he hasn't died yet..
If you wanna talk about real.. In a real battlefield there isn't a constant war going on all the time. Look at Iraq and places like that, do you see them fighting every second? Metal gear didn't do anything "fake" because those "long drawn out conversations" actually fit into the game. And if you notice those conversations never happened when he was in the middle of a battle. And please tell me where Snake thinks about the past while in a battle..
Don't talk about how if it were real snake would have died a long time ago when you have the gears of war guy fighting a whole bunch of huge alian things and he hasn't died yet..
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by Apeaggedon - 2008-06-27 |
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» lol yo silver-tiger
first off man,my grammer shouldnt matter online unless im wrighting a report or some big business project... as long as you got my point and it went thru,then im good and so is my grammer so leave it alone.
and second wen i said " lack of BRAINS and SKILLS" i ment the developers at microsoft. the only thing they seam to be good at ATM is marketing,hence they have bill gates greedy rich ass to thank for that.
and lastly just to let you know in on a FACT here since you said your a sony supporter.. SONY was established LOOONG before microsoft was smartass.
and though micrsoft might be HUGE in computers and software,that doesnt justify the crapy windows OS and UI with sh*t support ( from wut iv'e personally experienced).. and as far as me saying they have "Amatuears" strait from universities and college's"... i ment that in a form of wen microsoft started its development team for xbox.. NOT for the peeps behind microsoft's senior background.
first off man,my grammer shouldnt matter online unless im wrighting a report or some big business project... as long as you got my point and it went thru,then im good and so is my grammer so leave it alone.
and second wen i said " lack of BRAINS and SKILLS" i ment the developers at microsoft. the only thing they seam to be good at ATM is marketing,hence they have bill gates greedy rich ass to thank for that.
and lastly just to let you know in on a FACT here since you said your a sony supporter.. SONY was established LOOONG before microsoft was smartass.
and though micrsoft might be HUGE in computers and software,that doesnt justify the crapy windows OS and UI with sh*t support ( from wut iv'e personally experienced).. and as far as me saying they have "Amatuears" strait from universities and college's"... i ment that in a form of wen microsoft started its development team for xbox.. NOT for the peeps behind microsoft's senior background.
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Re: houaruto - 2008-06-27 |
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» very well said U da man
took the words right out of my mouth and slapped it at silver-tiger dumass for lurking in the shadows just to criticize others their grammer is horrible and assuming they are too childish to understand what they r talking bout....Oh yeah and i didn't care about adding the a in
apparently u not important enough for others to run a spell check on a casual writing.
last time I check people don't go out in public to correct everyone else's speech--oh shiittttt "u held out the to long"
It annoys me to no end when people don't have a hobby of just waits to toss a cheap jap to others cuse they didn't kare to spill da ward REIGHT
I can see u try to discredit MGS4 and sony and then tried to switch sides to sony to not make it sound like u xbox fanboy....It it smells like a dod...if it barks like a dog....its a dog.
took the words right out of my mouth and slapped it at silver-tiger dumass for lurking in the shadows just to criticize others their grammer is horrible and assuming they are too childish to understand what they r talking bout....Oh yeah and i didn't care about adding the a in
apparently u not important enough for others to run a spell check on a casual writing.
last time I check people don't go out in public to correct everyone else's speech--oh shiittttt "u held out the to long"
It annoys me to no end when people don't have a hobby of just waits to toss a cheap jap to others cuse they didn't kare to spill da ward REIGHT
I can see u try to discredit MGS4 and sony and then tried to switch sides to sony to not make it sound like u xbox fanboy....It it smells like a dod...if it barks like a dog....its a dog.
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Re: Silver-Tiger - 2008-06-27 |
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» ....
wow, if you really believe I'm a Xbox fanboy, than I really feel sorry for you both. i don't even own a Xbox, i played on PC.... too bad for you....
In the end, I just wanted to say that Apeaggedon was pratically talking BS. Gears was a good game, if you deny it or not. And I'm not a grammar-Nazi, but your"yo man, gangsta ***** f*ing yeah baby" language is just pathetic and childish.
Microsoft is a greedy company. Alone their Xbox Live service is a shame. I never denied that.
Also, Sony was established before Microsoft. Does that change the fact that they are more expirenced in programming?
just as you are right that the Windows of today are crap. I never denied that, too.
In the end, It doesn't even matter.
MGS4 is an EPIC game.
GoW2 will be an EPIC game.
Both titles will be great. Can we agree on that?
wow, if you really believe I'm a Xbox fanboy, than I really feel sorry for you both. i don't even own a Xbox, i played on PC.... too bad for you....
In the end, I just wanted to say that Apeaggedon was pratically talking BS. Gears was a good game, if you deny it or not. And I'm not a grammar-Nazi, but your"yo man, gangsta ***** f*ing yeah baby" language is just pathetic and childish.
Microsoft is a greedy company. Alone their Xbox Live service is a shame. I never denied that.
Also, Sony was established before Microsoft. Does that change the fact that they are more expirenced in programming?
just as you are right that the Windows of today are crap. I never denied that, too.
In the end, It doesn't even matter.
MGS4 is an EPIC game.
GoW2 will be an EPIC game.
Both titles will be great. Can we agree on that?
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Re: Strife56 - 2008-06-27 |
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» Good man!
You said it dude, you've saved me from having to type out a rant on these bullcrap remarks that Cliffy B has came off with, couldn't have said it better myself :]
You said it dude, you've saved me from having to type out a rant on these bullcrap remarks that Cliffy B has came off with, couldn't have said it better myself :]
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by Quixand - 2008-06-27 |
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» you know what cliffy
being a 30 year old gamer i will tell you that i miss the old days of console gaming, there wasn't online play then but to me those were the glory days of gaming... where you get emotionally invested in the characters and the story... where you actually CARE... tell you honestly up until now gamers are still emotionally invested in those games that they've played before because of the characters and stories that it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that some even helped them to deveop as a person... it left a mark.
i enjoyed those days more and it stuck to me, if it didn't then i wouldn't be gaming until now... if all i had before were shoot-everything-insight-the-hell-with-it-games then my childhood wouldn't have been as good as i had back then and i wouldn't be gaming now... and you know what killing and shooting and killing and shooting everything in front of you might be a hoot... but guess what i won't even remember it after the next high profile testosterone-high, generic kill-everything game comes out let alone make me nostalgic even after 20 years.
it's safe to say that it doesn't matter how high profile your games are mr. cliffy, if you don't care about the story the way that you should, to even diss a game with a good story by saying that it is only passive entertainment and on its way out, then be prepared to be forgotten soon enough... you could only hope to "pull a kojima".
being a 30 year old gamer i will tell you that i miss the old days of console gaming, there wasn't online play then but to me those were the glory days of gaming... where you get emotionally invested in the characters and the story... where you actually CARE... tell you honestly up until now gamers are still emotionally invested in those games that they've played before because of the characters and stories that it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that some even helped them to deveop as a person... it left a mark.
i enjoyed those days more and it stuck to me, if it didn't then i wouldn't be gaming until now... if all i had before were shoot-everything-insight-the-hell-with-it-games then my childhood wouldn't have been as good as i had back then and i wouldn't be gaming now... and you know what killing and shooting and killing and shooting everything in front of you might be a hoot... but guess what i won't even remember it after the next high profile testosterone-high, generic kill-everything game comes out let alone make me nostalgic even after 20 years.
it's safe to say that it doesn't matter how high profile your games are mr. cliffy, if you don't care about the story the way that you should, to even diss a game with a good story by saying that it is only passive entertainment and on its way out, then be prepared to be forgotten soon enough... you could only hope to "pull a kojima".
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Re: RommelTJ - 2008-06-27 |
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» I agree
Well said Quixand.
Well said Quixand.
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Re: Deviant721 - 2008-06-27 |
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» your basically proving what hes saying
todays gaming lifestyle is becoming more and more fast paced and more violent.....and and the gaming masses are becoming younger, within the next few years old school gaming is going to be are current gaming now...and i personally think that GoW is setting that pace..and of course kojima is great....but his games will only remain nostalgic to the older gaming community in the future
todays gaming lifestyle is becoming more and more fast paced and more violent.....and and the gaming masses are becoming younger, within the next few years old school gaming is going to be are current gaming now...and i personally think that GoW is setting that pace..and of course kojima is great....but his games will only remain nostalgic to the older gaming community in the future
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Re: Quixand - 2008-06-27 |
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» Deviant721
with all due respect buddy please read carefully what i meant... basically what i'm saying is the games that have stuck to me after years are the once with excellent stories and characters that you will get to invest yourself with, and it's not just me, i'm speaking for a lot of older gamers here...
i'm not arguing that shooters are the in-thing now and story-driven games aren't that common anymore... i'm not arguing that if you read again my comments above... but i'm saying that if he wants to be remembered or "pull a kojima" than he better try to care more about the story and characters and not brush it aside... or else his games won't even stand out from every other in it's class.
i hope that's clear enough.
with all due respect buddy please read carefully what i meant... basically what i'm saying is the games that have stuck to me after years are the once with excellent stories and characters that you will get to invest yourself with, and it's not just me, i'm speaking for a lot of older gamers here...
i'm not arguing that shooters are the in-thing now and story-driven games aren't that common anymore... i'm not arguing that if you read again my comments above... but i'm saying that if he wants to be remembered or "pull a kojima" than he better try to care more about the story and characters and not brush it aside... or else his games won't even stand out from every other in it's class.
i hope that's clear enough.
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Re: Deviant721 - 2008-06-28 |
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» but still....
cliffy is saying that he is NOT trying to pull a kojima, whether he is able to pull it or not.........
i dont even think he was trying to downrate mgs4, or the way it was produced, he simply said he not going in that direction of story telling, and i dont blame him, without that fast paced gameplay and story telling it wouldnt be GoW...and gears isnt a senseless shoot'em up
cliffy is saying that he is NOT trying to pull a kojima, whether he is able to pull it or not.........
i dont even think he was trying to downrate mgs4, or the way it was produced, he simply said he not going in that direction of story telling, and i dont blame him, without that fast paced gameplay and story telling it wouldnt be GoW...and gears isnt a senseless shoot'em up
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by Josh1billion - 2008-06-27 |
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» Heh
"on the way out"? This guy sounds like a moron. Let alone that he looks like a tool.
"on the way out"? This guy sounds like a moron. Let alone that he looks like a tool.
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by Apeaggedon - 2008-06-27 |
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» hey hauruto
your right man,forgot about that.... 360 fanboys will see how well the ps3 is doing and eventually come out of the closet and admit the xbox 360 is gay lol.
cant wait.
Also,i had two of my friends that were former xbobx fan boys.. lol i said "were".. thats cuz they got a ps3 now and cant stop bragging about it.
oh boy i love it.
your right man,forgot about that.... 360 fanboys will see how well the ps3 is doing and eventually come out of the closet and admit the xbox 360 is gay lol.
cant wait.
Also,i had two of my friends that were former xbobx fan boys.. lol i said "were".. thats cuz they got a ps3 now and cant stop bragging about it.
oh boy i love it.
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by Apeaggedon - 2008-06-27 |
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» heres a story...
bill gates: "were so *****ed cliff... wut do we do? im out of ideas"
cliff: "ummm,lets make another gears of war or halo or something that will keep our small fan base?"
billgates: "hmmm ,ok but how we gunna connect the story like kojima did with metal gear? i still think were *****ed..we cant compete with the compelling movie like game with awsome story and perfect gameplay"
cliff: "well.... who cares about story anyways.. its all about gameplay. thats why our first gears sold so lets just do the same thing but with a 2 at the end of the name so we can get HUGE hype all over again?"
bill gates: "ok sounds good to me..and more first person shooters,since it takes no skill or brains to make 'em,we'll just keep on bringing them out to our decreasingly small fan base".
cliff: " ok so to sum it down...- keep making sequels with a plotless story and awsome gameplay.... make more first person shooters cuz thats all we can fit on our 4gb cd's.... and market like crazy and talk ***** about the sony ps3... correct?"
bill gates: "yupyup... oh btw cliff,WERE STILL *****ED!
bill gates: "were so *****ed cliff... wut do we do? im out of ideas"
cliff: "ummm,lets make another gears of war or halo or something that will keep our small fan base?"
billgates: "hmmm ,ok but how we gunna connect the story like kojima did with metal gear? i still think were *****ed..we cant compete with the compelling movie like game with awsome story and perfect gameplay"
cliff: "well.... who cares about story anyways.. its all about gameplay. thats why our first gears sold so lets just do the same thing but with a 2 at the end of the name so we can get HUGE hype all over again?"
bill gates: "ok sounds good to me..and more first person shooters,since it takes no skill or brains to make 'em,we'll just keep on bringing them out to our decreasingly small fan base".
cliff: " ok so to sum it down...- keep making sequels with a plotless story and awsome gameplay.... make more first person shooters cuz thats all we can fit on our 4gb cd's.... and market like crazy and talk ***** about the sony ps3... correct?"
bill gates: "yupyup... oh btw cliff,WERE STILL *****ED!
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Re: CatchEisley - 2008-06-27 |
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» uhh
Okay, but that comment alone proves you are the biggest PS3 fanboy... Microsoft has come out with many blockbuster games in the past 10 years, and so has sony. Fanboys are what ruin gaming because they can't just enjoy what we're for...the games.
Okay, but that comment alone proves you are the biggest PS3 fanboy... Microsoft has come out with many blockbuster games in the past 10 years, and so has sony. Fanboys are what ruin gaming because they can't just enjoy what we're for...the games.
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