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 The Final Fantasy drama is definitely far from over. With fans now over the shock (done with the denial stage), and most probably in the angry phase, the producers of the popular Square Enix franchise is now talking about the much-talked about Xbox 360 version.Shinji Hashimoto and Yoshinori Kitase, in an interview with 1Up, has revealed that although FFXIII will also be developed for Microsoft's console, this does not in any way mean that the PS3 version will be affected, simply because this will be finished first. And while admitting that a simultaneous launch will definitely be no walk in the park, they say that they're "definitely trying to decrease the gap between the Japanese launch and when we release it to the rest of the world." But the juicy part is when they were asked if there had been any negative reaction from Japanese Xbox 360 owners about the FFXIII announcement since (quoting the interview question) "It's not coming out on 360 there, and Japanese gamers won't be able to play the U.S. import on their systems, since the console's region-locked. To this they replied: "There doesn't seem to be any overly negative feedback yet, as Japanese users have known since the beginning that it's coming to PS3. " But what's even more interesting and juicy in this interview was their hinted "big announcement" pertaining to FFVII in the coming weeks. This is in response to a query on updates regarding Tetsuya Nomura's adding of new scenes to the FFVII: Advent Children Complete Blu-ray release. You can look forward to the upcoming invite-only fan event DKS3713 [taking place in Tokyo on August 2 and 3], where we'll have a major announcement that will shock the fans in attendance. Another shocking announcement?!? Really now, after the Xbox 360 bomb that dropped on us a couple of days ago, we now know anything is possible with them. This comes in complete sync with what Nomura himself has revealed last week, although at that time, it seemed like they weren't sure yet whether to announce it at E3 or wait for a later date. We now know the answer to that bit. Anyhow, we guess we'll just have to wait and brace ourselves for this next wave of surprises, then. The coproducers also opened up about other tidbits on the franchise, such as character development for Lightning, the game's heroine, updates on the mobile title Final Fantasy Agito XIII, as well as pressure from meeting fans' expectations of a long-running, highly successful franchise. To read the full interview, follow the source below. Related Articles:
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by Donciclon - 2008-07-16 |
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» Guys lower ur hopes for FF7, they don't give a sh?t about fans
I really don't care what they're next announcement is...judging from their interview after E3 and how it's all about money...this surprise is probably just another jerk to the stiffy they gave micro$oft.
I really don't care what they're next announcement is...judging from their interview after E3 and how it's all about money...this surprise is probably just another jerk to the stiffy they gave micro$oft.
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Re: skidz - 2008-07-17 |
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» Gaming industry + all about money
Very few companies these days are about anything but the money.
Very few companies these days are about anything but the money.
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Re: raggedjimmi - 2008-07-17 |
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OR, Square might have approached Microsoft about this since... Well the PS3 install base isn't exactly giant, now is it?
And WTF. You people act so shocked but they did the same thing to Nintendo years ago. Square go where the money is. This is why they're putting more effort and more games onto the DS over the PSP. This is why that new DQ game is heading to the DS.
Why would Square limit themselves to the smallest install market? To satisfy some moronic fans who believe in "tradition"? Tradition which some seem to think started on Sony consoles...
OR, Square might have approached Microsoft about this since... Well the PS3 install base isn't exactly giant, now is it?
And WTF. You people act so shocked but they did the same thing to Nintendo years ago. Square go where the money is. This is why they're putting more effort and more games onto the DS over the PSP. This is why that new DQ game is heading to the DS.
Why would Square limit themselves to the smallest install market? To satisfy some moronic fans who believe in "tradition"? Tradition which some seem to think started on Sony consoles...
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Re: rollypoly - 2008-07-17 |
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» raggedjimmi
couldn't agree more
it was never about tradition, the only reason sony has had a lock on FF titles since 7 is it's large market and capable hardware.
they aren't the only big system in town anymore...
couldn't agree more
it was never about tradition, the only reason sony has had a lock on FF titles since 7 is it's large market and capable hardware.
they aren't the only big system in town anymore...
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Re: Donciclon - 2008-07-17 |
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» yea
@ragge - i wasn't really surprised...i just don't like people changing their mind last minute. It was announced as a ps3 exclusive for the better part of 2 years. I wondered then why because i knew it was all about the money.
but like i said i really don't care...i grew out of the fanboy thing a while ago (SONY club). I'm satisfied with my PS3 purchase, and i'm the type of gamer that gets hooked on one good release that holds me off for months at a time (i.e. Call of duty, Socom, the occasional RPG, and the now the mentioned M.A.G. sounds interesting). And its not below me to buy a 360 for that one killer app which might just be gears2 (i'll just have to wait and see)
@ragge - i wasn't really surprised...i just don't like people changing their mind last minute. It was announced as a ps3 exclusive for the better part of 2 years. I wondered then why because i knew it was all about the money.
but like i said i really don't care...i grew out of the fanboy thing a while ago (SONY club). I'm satisfied with my PS3 purchase, and i'm the type of gamer that gets hooked on one good release that holds me off for months at a time (i.e. Call of duty, Socom, the occasional RPG, and the now the mentioned M.A.G. sounds interesting). And its not below me to buy a 360 for that one killer app which might just be gears2 (i'll just have to wait and see)
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Re: sony_player - 2008-07-17 |
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» ragged
It is a big deal, because unlike the others, sony owns stock in SE. They own nearly 10% which may not seem like a lot, but it's a lot more than microsoft or nintendo own. So yeah, SE should be more loyal to Sony
It is a big deal, because unlike the others, sony owns stock in SE. They own nearly 10% which may not seem like a lot, but it's a lot more than microsoft or nintendo own. So yeah, SE should be more loyal to Sony
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by Powerslave89 - 2008-07-17 |
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» My Opinion On The Issues
On The FFXIII Issue It's All GOOD Bigger Fanbase For The Game Not FOR A SYSTEM (I OWN ALL 3 SYSTEMS And Both Portables SO U CANT CALL ME A FANBOY OVER A SYSTEM)
On The FFVII Issue I Think It May Be The Game That Takes Place After Dirge.
"""""""SPOILER"""""""""SPOILER"""""""""SPOILER""""""""""" Does Anyone Remember Genesis Being Revived Magically At The End Caring Whats His Name In The End? It's Kinda Like He's The Main Bad Guy Thats Working Behind The Scene Like Wesker In Resident Evil. Who Knows What Does Everyone Think???
It May Also Be The Remake That Everyone Desires So Badly But I Really Dont Think So Since Most Of The Main Staff Are Still Held Up with Other Projects Like FFXIII And Versus.
On The FFXIII Issue It's All GOOD Bigger Fanbase For The Game Not FOR A SYSTEM (I OWN ALL 3 SYSTEMS And Both Portables SO U CANT CALL ME A FANBOY OVER A SYSTEM)
On The FFVII Issue I Think It May Be The Game That Takes Place After Dirge.
"""""""SPOILER"""""""""SPOILER"""""""""SPOILER""""""""""" Does Anyone Remember Genesis Being Revived Magically At The End Caring Whats His Name In The End? It's Kinda Like He's The Main Bad Guy Thats Working Behind The Scene Like Wesker In Resident Evil. Who Knows What Does Everyone Think???
It May Also Be The Remake That Everyone Desires So Badly But I Really Dont Think So Since Most Of The Main Staff Are Still Held Up with Other Projects Like FFXIII And Versus.
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Re: Beatnutz - 2008-07-17 |
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» """""""SPOILER"""""""""
You write like a three year old. Go back to school.
You write like a three year old. Go back to school.
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Re: death - 2008-07-17 |
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» Hey How Do You Make
Every First Letter Caps ............. Better Yet Why?
Every First Letter Caps ............. Better Yet Why?
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Re: Powerslave89 - 2008-07-17 |
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» FANBOY
I Ask For An Opinion And I Get An Insult. Who Should Go Back To School?
Anyways What Does Everyone Else Think?
I Ask For An Opinion And I Get An Insult. Who Should Go Back To School?
Anyways What Does Everyone Else Think?
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Re: StainlessSteve - 2008-07-17 |
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» Actually...
There is no S in anyway. It's not anyways. But really, there is no reason for every single word to be capitalized.
There is no S in anyway. It's not anyways. But really, there is no reason for every single word to be capitalized.
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by Apeaggedon - 2008-07-17 |
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» maybe ...
just maybe it could be an anouncment of the ffvII remake.
hopefully it wont be "it brings me great pleasure today,to anounce that we at square-enix have decided to remake ff7 on the ps3....... oh and on the 360 as well,sry but its our tradition to f**k sony in the azz while sucking m$ 8IID"
IMO i have appsolutley no idea wut they will anounce,but after that backstabbing bull they pulled at the m$ e3 concert,i refuse to get hyped over anything sqeenix has to do with anymore.
i accually want it to be KINGDOM HEARTS EXCLUSIVELY TO THE PS3 :)
just maybe it could be an anouncment of the ffvII remake.
hopefully it wont be "it brings me great pleasure today,to anounce that we at square-enix have decided to remake ff7 on the ps3....... oh and on the 360 as well,sry but its our tradition to f**k sony in the azz while sucking m$ 8IID"
IMO i have appsolutley no idea wut they will anounce,but after that backstabbing bull they pulled at the m$ e3 concert,i refuse to get hyped over anything sqeenix has to do with anymore.
i accually want it to be KINGDOM HEARTS EXCLUSIVELY TO THE PS3 :)
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Re: Games4James - 2008-07-17 |
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» Backstabbing?
So announcing FFXIII for the 360 is backstabbing? LOL! Some of you so-called gamers, no-one the general media looks down on gamers so such. :D
So announcing FFXIII for the 360 is backstabbing? LOL! Some of you so-called gamers, no-one the general media looks down on gamers so such. :D
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Re: Games4James - 2008-07-17 |
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» Oops, spell check...
should read... "no wonder the general media looks down on gamers so much".
Which is true.
But seriously, what's your problem Apeaggedon? It's not as if they've cancelled the PS3 version! You act as if Sqaure Enix owes you something. :) They have to make money, like everyone else, so a 360 version makes perfect sense.
should read... "no wonder the general media looks down on gamers so much".
Which is true.
But seriously, what's your problem Apeaggedon? It's not as if they've cancelled the PS3 version! You act as if Sqaure Enix owes you something. :) They have to make money, like everyone else, so a 360 version makes perfect sense.
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Re: Thinker - 2008-07-17 |
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» @Games4JAmes
Well, G4J, here's my take on this, but first of all, let me provide the disclaimer for not having vested interests - as seems to be the norm nowadays ;) - I have a 60 GB PS3, a 20 GB 360 and a Wii (that's right, got the Wii a few days ago :) ), so please no one go down the tried-and-tested path of accusing me to be a fb.
Anyways, while I appreciate that this move will allow 360 gamers to enjoy what is most probably a good RPG, I am disturbed by what I see Microsoft doing, and what I see them doing is them employing the same underhanded business tactics (bribing and strong-arming) to win the console war that they used to gain dominance with their OS and the Browser wars. At the end, Microsoft did succeed with using their unethical methods, and what did we, the consumers, get in return? A stagnant, non-evolving Browser (IE5 + IE6), and an OS riddled with holes as MS did not have the motive to better their products.
At the rate they are going, bribing developers right and left, they probably will win the console wars, and then where will we be? Do you think MS would have been maneuvered into a 1-billion customer service plan if there had been no competition? They would simply have come out with a sh1tty console, refused any kind of repairing and wouldn't have bothered with getting their hardware problems straightened out.
Also, as you have been so insightful as to point out that SE have to make money, why are they not making the 360-exclusives, like Infinite Undiscovery, multiplatform? Wouldn't that also mean more revenue, especially as the PS3 install-base is not insignificant now?
I see you dissing all PS3 fanboy posts - do you do the same to 360 fanboys as well, or is this contribution of yours PS3-exclusive? ;)
Well, G4J, here's my take on this, but first of all, let me provide the disclaimer for not having vested interests - as seems to be the norm nowadays ;) - I have a 60 GB PS3, a 20 GB 360 and a Wii (that's right, got the Wii a few days ago :) ), so please no one go down the tried-and-tested path of accusing me to be a fb.
Anyways, while I appreciate that this move will allow 360 gamers to enjoy what is most probably a good RPG, I am disturbed by what I see Microsoft doing, and what I see them doing is them employing the same underhanded business tactics (bribing and strong-arming) to win the console war that they used to gain dominance with their OS and the Browser wars. At the end, Microsoft did succeed with using their unethical methods, and what did we, the consumers, get in return? A stagnant, non-evolving Browser (IE5 + IE6), and an OS riddled with holes as MS did not have the motive to better their products.
At the rate they are going, bribing developers right and left, they probably will win the console wars, and then where will we be? Do you think MS would have been maneuvered into a 1-billion customer service plan if there had been no competition? They would simply have come out with a sh1tty console, refused any kind of repairing and wouldn't have bothered with getting their hardware problems straightened out.
Also, as you have been so insightful as to point out that SE have to make money, why are they not making the 360-exclusives, like Infinite Undiscovery, multiplatform? Wouldn't that also mean more revenue, especially as the PS3 install-base is not insignificant now?
I see you dissing all PS3 fanboy posts - do you do the same to 360 fanboys as well, or is this contribution of yours PS3-exclusive? ;)
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Re: Thinker - 2008-07-17 |
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» @Games4James
Having said the above, I also want to add that Sony are a little arrogant if they think Devs will not jump ship because they are Sony.
People will be people, and Devs - who, after all people - will wag their tails if MS waves a bag of money (case in point, Rockstar and Bethesda with their DLC, and SE with their multiplat-decison while keeping some games exclusive for the 360).
So, instead of grumbling and muttering and saying "Oh well", Sony should jump on the bandwagon and join this bribe-fest :), if that's the only way they can keep up.
Having said the above, I also want to add that Sony are a little arrogant if they think Devs will not jump ship because they are Sony.
People will be people, and Devs - who, after all people - will wag their tails if MS waves a bag of money (case in point, Rockstar and Bethesda with their DLC, and SE with their multiplat-decison while keeping some games exclusive for the 360).
So, instead of grumbling and muttering and saying "Oh well", Sony should jump on the bandwagon and join this bribe-fest :), if that's the only way they can keep up.
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Re: sickofitall - 2008-07-17 |
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» amen,
Thinker.
Thinker.
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Re: i3obtl - 2008-07-17 |
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» Sony and Disney
You should all remember that Sony has some pretty big ties with Disney, and since KH is a Disney based game, you can count on it not coming to anything M$
You should all remember that Sony has some pretty big ties with Disney, and since KH is a Disney based game, you can count on it not coming to anything M$
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Re: Thinker - 2008-07-17 |
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» @sickofitall
:))
To all the devs:
Line Up! Please! And let the bidding begin!!!
:))
To all the devs:
Line Up! Please! And let the bidding begin!!!
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Re: Donciclon - 2008-07-17 |
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» @thinker
Damn, you really live up to that name thinker...
i never really thought about it that way. I'm well aware of the BS that microsoft pulls off with its windows and stuff (i've been a religious Linux user for about half a year now, want something done right you gotta do it yourself), but i didn't have the foresight to compare their business ethics to the console war. Hopefully this is a perpetual tug of war, it's the only way we'll ever get decent service and products. I guess i never really looked at it from a business point of view, maybe because i always viewed consoles as toys (what appeals to little kids is quantity not quality). And being that home entertainment is a multibillion dollar a year industry, i see how it's the time for major competition to be had.
thanks from a fellow thinker
Damn, you really live up to that name thinker...
i never really thought about it that way. I'm well aware of the BS that microsoft pulls off with its windows and stuff (i've been a religious Linux user for about half a year now, want something done right you gotta do it yourself), but i didn't have the foresight to compare their business ethics to the console war. Hopefully this is a perpetual tug of war, it's the only way we'll ever get decent service and products. I guess i never really looked at it from a business point of view, maybe because i always viewed consoles as toys (what appeals to little kids is quantity not quality). And being that home entertainment is a multibillion dollar a year industry, i see how it's the time for major competition to be had.
thanks from a fellow thinker
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2008-07-17 |
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» .
Even if Microsoft paid to have FF13 come to the 360, what's the problem? It's still coming to the PS3 first.
To Thinker: I'm really disapointed to see you get a Wii. What were you thinking?
There's always going to be competiton between 3 companies, it's always been that way in the gaming world. If you consider the Wii competiton anyway....
Even if Microsoft paid to have FF13 come to the 360, what's the problem? It's still coming to the PS3 first.
To Thinker: I'm really disapointed to see you get a Wii. What were you thinking?
There's always going to be competiton between 3 companies, it's always been that way in the gaming world. If you consider the Wii competiton anyway....
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Re: habsfan9 - 2008-07-17 |
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» Actually...
They're going to release FFXIII on the 360 and the PS3 simultaneously. They will just finish development on the PS3 first.
They're going to release FFXIII on the 360 and the PS3 simultaneously. They will just finish development on the PS3 first.
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Re: GR1M - 2008-07-17 |
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» Backstabbing??? More like misleading
I have all three systems as well. My problem is, like most, that I bought a PS3 recently for exclusive titles, mainly Final Fantasy. Obviously going multiplatform is the way to go if you want to make money but companies should be honest from the start. Now I pretty much threw away all that money for a game that I could have had on my 360. SE I used to love you, now I hope you rot in hell.
I have all three systems as well. My problem is, like most, that I bought a PS3 recently for exclusive titles, mainly Final Fantasy. Obviously going multiplatform is the way to go if you want to make money but companies should be honest from the start. Now I pretty much threw away all that money for a game that I could have had on my 360. SE I used to love you, now I hope you rot in hell.
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Re: Thinker - 2008-07-17 |
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» @Mister Common Sense
Hey MCS,
Long time since we talked! Nice to hear from you.
As for MS paying off SE, please see the reasons above. I don't care that 360 gamers get to play it. As far as gamers are concerned, the more the better. The reason I am concerned is that MS has set out to win a console war through lying/cheating/stealing/bribing - however you want to look at it, and history has shown that these unethical tactics of MS have worked for them in the past (although Supreme Courts may have penalized them for this later on, it is too late for the company which was trod underfoot by Microsoft's unsavory business practices). I fear that something similar might happen here, and if that were ever to happen, you can say goodbye to hardware and software quality. MS has a long track record of edging and strong-arming competition out of the market and then establishing a monopoly. If you don't see that coming, then you are blind.
As for buying a Wii, sorry to disappoint you :), but I would like to give the console a chance before I diss it. Even though the graphics on it are meh, it's not so bad. It's fun enough for casual gaming. I even got my wife and sister-in-law to join in, which is an achievement in itself. They always used to look at me with disdain whenever they saw me play a game on the PS3 or 360. Hopefully this changes their views of those consoles as well :) . I even bought "Super Mario Galaxy".
Anyway, I think having all consoles gives me the best of all worlds. Wouldn't you agree?
BTW, MCS, I forgot to add your PSN and 360 IDs and have forgotten them. Can you post them again? I think it was Biznich Bioch something, but not sure.
Regards,
MTK
Hey MCS,
Long time since we talked! Nice to hear from you.
As for MS paying off SE, please see the reasons above. I don't care that 360 gamers get to play it. As far as gamers are concerned, the more the better. The reason I am concerned is that MS has set out to win a console war through lying/cheating/stealing/bribing - however you want to look at it, and history has shown that these unethical tactics of MS have worked for them in the past (although Supreme Courts may have penalized them for this later on, it is too late for the company which was trod underfoot by Microsoft's unsavory business practices). I fear that something similar might happen here, and if that were ever to happen, you can say goodbye to hardware and software quality. MS has a long track record of edging and strong-arming competition out of the market and then establishing a monopoly. If you don't see that coming, then you are blind.
As for buying a Wii, sorry to disappoint you :), but I would like to give the console a chance before I diss it. Even though the graphics on it are meh, it's not so bad. It's fun enough for casual gaming. I even got my wife and sister-in-law to join in, which is an achievement in itself. They always used to look at me with disdain whenever they saw me play a game on the PS3 or 360. Hopefully this changes their views of those consoles as well :) . I even bought "Super Mario Galaxy".
Anyway, I think having all consoles gives me the best of all worlds. Wouldn't you agree?
BTW, MCS, I forgot to add your PSN and 360 IDs and have forgotten them. Can you post them again? I think it was Biznich Bioch something, but not sure.
Regards,
MTK
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Re: Games4James - 2008-07-18 |
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» @Thinker
You said "so please no one go down the tried-and-tested path of accusing me to be a fb" but then at the end of your post you go down that _same_ tried-and-tested path by suggesting I could be a fb when you said "I see you dissing all PS3 fanboy posts - do you do the same to 360 fanboys as well, or is this contribution of yours PS3-exclusive? ;)"
Smiley or not, you're being a bit of a hypocrite there. :)
This is about FFXIII on the 360, something which will only anger PS3 fanboys (as we've seen), not 360 fanboys. On other topics, the reverse is true, with angry 360 fanboys, and so things will be different.....there.
So getting back to this topic, there is no evidence that FFXIII coming to the 360 was due to MS carrying out "underhanded business tactics" by "bribing and strong-arming" Square Enix (and since when were SE so weak?). If anything, MS would have had to practically beg to have FFXIII on the 360, NO-WAY could they bully Square Enix into porting the game.
But if you have evidence of MS bribing and strong-arming Square Enix to get FFXIII on the 360, then do provide it please. Otherwise you're just complaining over your own assumptions here. :)
Personally, I don't care how 'bad' or 'evil' MS are suppose to be, I'm just interested in what they can do for me as a gamer. Same with Sony, same with Nintendo (neither of which are any 'nicer' than MS). That said, if a company has to do whatever it takes to offer more and better games for me as a gamer, then I'm all for it.
Sony have boasted that they didn't need to offer devs incentives to develop games on their consoles, and this was true, but it was only true because they were by FAR the market leaders with the Playstation and PS2. Devs came to them because that's where the user base was and therefore that's where the money was. If Sony were 2nd and 3rd in those previous gens, then they would have needed to adopt the same tactics as MS and fight for devs and games for their console.
So as you say Thinker, Sony are arrogant, they haven't really had to fight before, and therefore they still expect devs to come to them and stay with them in the way they did with the Playstation and PS2. But things are different now, Sony are not the market leaders this gen, and therefore they have to learn to fight for the devs, fight for the games, and fight to keep them, something they've been slow to realize it seems.
Finally, how do we know if any of SE's 360 exclusives will not appear on the PS3 sometime in the future? As we've seen time and time again this gen, nothing is guarenteed in terms of 3rd party console exclusives, and FFXIII is a perfect example of that.
You said "so please no one go down the tried-and-tested path of accusing me to be a fb" but then at the end of your post you go down that _same_ tried-and-tested path by suggesting I could be a fb when you said "I see you dissing all PS3 fanboy posts - do you do the same to 360 fanboys as well, or is this contribution of yours PS3-exclusive? ;)"
Smiley or not, you're being a bit of a hypocrite there. :)
This is about FFXIII on the 360, something which will only anger PS3 fanboys (as we've seen), not 360 fanboys. On other topics, the reverse is true, with angry 360 fanboys, and so things will be different.....there.
So getting back to this topic, there is no evidence that FFXIII coming to the 360 was due to MS carrying out "underhanded business tactics" by "bribing and strong-arming" Square Enix (and since when were SE so weak?). If anything, MS would have had to practically beg to have FFXIII on the 360, NO-WAY could they bully Square Enix into porting the game.
But if you have evidence of MS bribing and strong-arming Square Enix to get FFXIII on the 360, then do provide it please. Otherwise you're just complaining over your own assumptions here. :)
Personally, I don't care how 'bad' or 'evil' MS are suppose to be, I'm just interested in what they can do for me as a gamer. Same with Sony, same with Nintendo (neither of which are any 'nicer' than MS). That said, if a company has to do whatever it takes to offer more and better games for me as a gamer, then I'm all for it.
Sony have boasted that they didn't need to offer devs incentives to develop games on their consoles, and this was true, but it was only true because they were by FAR the market leaders with the Playstation and PS2. Devs came to them because that's where the user base was and therefore that's where the money was. If Sony were 2nd and 3rd in those previous gens, then they would have needed to adopt the same tactics as MS and fight for devs and games for their console.
So as you say Thinker, Sony are arrogant, they haven't really had to fight before, and therefore they still expect devs to come to them and stay with them in the way they did with the Playstation and PS2. But things are different now, Sony are not the market leaders this gen, and therefore they have to learn to fight for the devs, fight for the games, and fight to keep them, something they've been slow to realize it seems.
Finally, how do we know if any of SE's 360 exclusives will not appear on the PS3 sometime in the future? As we've seen time and time again this gen, nothing is guarenteed in terms of 3rd party console exclusives, and FFXIII is a perfect example of that.
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Re: ultimax - 2008-07-18 |
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» Hmm
You neek. Nuff said.
You neek. Nuff said.
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Re: Thinker - 2008-07-18 |
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» @Games4James
Hi G4J,
Long time since we exchanged words :). Nice to see you respond. I was beginning to think you had moved on to another thread.
Anyway, whether you want to accuse me of being a hypocrite or not - that is your prerogative. For myself, I know that my conscience is clear. I am fairly open about things. Yes, I have made no secret of the fact that I own all three consoles and that I still prefer the PS3, and I believe my reasons, although subjective, are well-founded.
Anyway, since you've accused me, let me tell you that in the past I've criticised not only 360 fanboys, but also PS3 fanboys. Take Stealth, for example. I don't remember the exact thread, but if you search, you will find instances where I have criticised PS3 fanboys. You, on the other hand, I have seen online several times, but NEVER have I seen you criticise a 360 fanboy. Maybe you did and maybe I missed those posts, but I have yet to see you be impartial.
As for FFXIII, nice job of putting a spin on my words "bribing and strong-arming" so as to make me appear in a negative light. I never said they used BOTH for THIS particular game. NO I DO NOT THINK MS STRONG-ARMED SQUARE-ENIX INTO GOING MULTI-PLAT FOR THIS GAME (and that is because they DO NOT HAVE THE LEVERAGE TO, not because of any ethical conundrums), and yes, I DO THINK they bribed SE for the following two reasons:
1) To get FFXIII on their console
2) PS3 version was obviously going to be finished earlier. In order to ensure that the PS3 version did not come out earlier
I'm not an industry insider and can't provide the necessary proof. However, what I'm basing my argument on is 1) Microsoft's PROVEN TRACK RECORD of using these business practices, and 2) common sense. Sure, you can convince yourself that MS didn't offer a single cent to get this game, and that in itself would prove, at least to me, where your bias lies.
"That said, if a company has to do whatever it takes to offer more and better games for me as a gamer, then I'm all for it."
-> And that's where you are being blind. We have clear evidence (out there on Wikipedia, Answers, News channels, wherever you care to look) that whenever Microsoft manages to establish itself as a monopoly in ANYTHING, it is the Consumer who suffers. If you don't believe that, then you have been living in Planet Fantasia, my friend.
What I'm saying is, if MS continues with these UNDER-HANDED tactics, their history has shown that they WILL SUCCEED in establishing themselves as a monopoly in the hardcore gamer market (which, as you probably know, is a multi-billion dollar industry, and is NOT about toys or just games), and if and when that happens, you can kiss "better games" and "good hardware" goodbye. If you think that's not true, then you ARE a MS fanboy, and I stand by that statement.
You can accuse me of whatever the hell you want, but my conscience is clear whenever I post something. The way you evaded and dodged my question "or is this contribution of yours PS3-exclusive?" makes me think I can't say the same about you.
Regards,
MTK
Hi G4J,
Long time since we exchanged words :). Nice to see you respond. I was beginning to think you had moved on to another thread.
Anyway, whether you want to accuse me of being a hypocrite or not - that is your prerogative. For myself, I know that my conscience is clear. I am fairly open about things. Yes, I have made no secret of the fact that I own all three consoles and that I still prefer the PS3, and I believe my reasons, although subjective, are well-founded.
Anyway, since you've accused me, let me tell you that in the past I've criticised not only 360 fanboys, but also PS3 fanboys. Take Stealth, for example. I don't remember the exact thread, but if you search, you will find instances where I have criticised PS3 fanboys. You, on the other hand, I have seen online several times, but NEVER have I seen you criticise a 360 fanboy. Maybe you did and maybe I missed those posts, but I have yet to see you be impartial.
As for FFXIII, nice job of putting a spin on my words "bribing and strong-arming" so as to make me appear in a negative light. I never said they used BOTH for THIS particular game. NO I DO NOT THINK MS STRONG-ARMED SQUARE-ENIX INTO GOING MULTI-PLAT FOR THIS GAME (and that is because they DO NOT HAVE THE LEVERAGE TO, not because of any ethical conundrums), and yes, I DO THINK they bribed SE for the following two reasons:
1) To get FFXIII on their console
2) PS3 version was obviously going to be finished earlier. In order to ensure that the PS3 version did not come out earlier
I'm not an industry insider and can't provide the necessary proof. However, what I'm basing my argument on is 1) Microsoft's PROVEN TRACK RECORD of using these business practices, and 2) common sense. Sure, you can convince yourself that MS didn't offer a single cent to get this game, and that in itself would prove, at least to me, where your bias lies.
"That said, if a company has to do whatever it takes to offer more and better games for me as a gamer, then I'm all for it."
-> And that's where you are being blind. We have clear evidence (out there on Wikipedia, Answers, News channels, wherever you care to look) that whenever Microsoft manages to establish itself as a monopoly in ANYTHING, it is the Consumer who suffers. If you don't believe that, then you have been living in Planet Fantasia, my friend.
What I'm saying is, if MS continues with these UNDER-HANDED tactics, their history has shown that they WILL SUCCEED in establishing themselves as a monopoly in the hardcore gamer market (which, as you probably know, is a multi-billion dollar industry, and is NOT about toys or just games), and if and when that happens, you can kiss "better games" and "good hardware" goodbye. If you think that's not true, then you ARE a MS fanboy, and I stand by that statement.
You can accuse me of whatever the hell you want, but my conscience is clear whenever I post something. The way you evaded and dodged my question "or is this contribution of yours PS3-exclusive?" makes me think I can't say the same about you.
Regards,
MTK
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Re: Thinker - 2008-07-18 |
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» @Games4James
"you ARE a MS fanboy, and I stand by that statement. "
-> This is my opinion based upon the slant of EVERY SINGLE ONE of your posts THAT I HAVE SEEN. What keeps you apart from them is that you are WAY MORE ERUDITE and ARTICULATE. But you still say the same things, only in a much more polished way.
"you ARE a MS fanboy, and I stand by that statement. "
-> This is my opinion based upon the slant of EVERY SINGLE ONE of your posts THAT I HAVE SEEN. What keeps you apart from them is that you are WAY MORE ERUDITE and ARTICULATE. But you still say the same things, only in a much more polished way.
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Re: Thinker - 2008-07-18 |
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» @Games4James
Also,
This is something I have seen you ALWAYS do. whenever I accuse you of being a fanboy, instead of providing an appropriate response, you side-step that question and ALWAYS accuse me of being a fanboy/hypocrite myself, and as proof of your statement, you offer my accusation. I find that to be really cheap.
Sorry for taking the gloves off, but this is something I've ALWAYS seen you do whenever I point out you are doing something fanboyish.
For my part, since you accused me of being a hypocrite (and, by implication, a fanboy) WHERE in my post did I indicate that FFXIII coming to the 360 is BAD for gamers? Point out the line, and I'll gladly accept you are right. I have this history on QJ. If I'm wrong, I HAVE accepted it. The same can't be said of you. Maybe you think you are ALWAYS right, but try to look through others' eyes as well.
All I said was, game coming to 360 - good, the means employed for bringing this and other games to the 360 - bad in the LONG RUN.
How does that make me a fanboy? I used to look at your posts with a certain respect, but I'm afraid, by your evasion and accusation, you lost that.
Sorry for the strong words. Just angry at bringing up a post relating to business practices and being accused of being a fanboy.
Also,
This is something I have seen you ALWAYS do. whenever I accuse you of being a fanboy, instead of providing an appropriate response, you side-step that question and ALWAYS accuse me of being a fanboy/hypocrite myself, and as proof of your statement, you offer my accusation. I find that to be really cheap.
Sorry for taking the gloves off, but this is something I've ALWAYS seen you do whenever I point out you are doing something fanboyish.
For my part, since you accused me of being a hypocrite (and, by implication, a fanboy) WHERE in my post did I indicate that FFXIII coming to the 360 is BAD for gamers? Point out the line, and I'll gladly accept you are right. I have this history on QJ. If I'm wrong, I HAVE accepted it. The same can't be said of you. Maybe you think you are ALWAYS right, but try to look through others' eyes as well.
All I said was, game coming to 360 - good, the means employed for bringing this and other games to the 360 - bad in the LONG RUN.
How does that make me a fanboy? I used to look at your posts with a certain respect, but I'm afraid, by your evasion and accusation, you lost that.
Sorry for the strong words. Just angry at bringing up a post relating to business practices and being accused of being a fanboy.
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Re: Games4James - 2008-07-21 |
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» Think whatever you like Thinker...
...you ARE as much a PS3/Sony fanboy as I am a MS/360 fanboy.
And I have criticised 360 fanboys, just because YOU haven't seen it doesn't mean I haven't done so. Likewise, I haven't seen you criticise PS3 fanboys, but that doesn't mean you haven't added a token criticism against a PS3 fanboy every now and again. ;)
As you say, you have no proof to your arguments, hence that says it all really. Your arguments are baseless, and therefore it seems foolish to go overboard over speculation, and especially to your claim that MS could result in a future without better games and better hardware.
That's the same BS argument Nintendo fanboys used to use against Sony regarding the Playstation, claiming Sony are only interested in quantity over quality, and therefore claimed Sony would flood the market with cr*p and thus bring about the eventual downfall of the games industry.
Did it happen? No. Similar arguments were made regarding MS entering the console market with the XBox ("they are only in it for the money", "they will ruin the games market" etc), and did it happen? Nope. Will it happen? No. So cut out the nonsense please. The games industry is far stronger than that, and it thrives on competition, and whilst ALL the major three companies would like to dominate as much as possible, ALL three are aware that as much as they want to dominate, they also NEED the competition for the market to grow.
"All I said was, game coming to 360 - good, the means employed for bringing this and other games to the 360 - bad in the LONG RUN."
And all I said was I disagree, especially given the fact that you don't know the means employed to make this happen, you can only speculate, and even if it was true, I don't see it as bad in the long run at all.
"How does that make me a fanboy? I used to look at your posts with a certain respect, but I'm afraid, by your evasion and accusation, you lost that."
Well given your posts on QJ, I lost respect for you a long time ago, since you're just a closet fanboy (deny it all you like), so I guess the feeling is mutual. :)
"Sorry for the strong words. Just angry at bringing up a post relating to business practices and being accused of being a fanboy."
I see, so it's ok for you to call me a fanboy at the end of that first post, but when I direct the same accusation towards yourself, you are ever so shocked and offended! R-i-g-h-t.
From William Shakespeare's Hamlet, the Queen says "The lady doth protest too much, methinks", hence likewise, I feel that over being called a fanboy "You doth protest too much, methinks." :P
Have a nice day.
...you ARE as much a PS3/Sony fanboy as I am a MS/360 fanboy.
And I have criticised 360 fanboys, just because YOU haven't seen it doesn't mean I haven't done so. Likewise, I haven't seen you criticise PS3 fanboys, but that doesn't mean you haven't added a token criticism against a PS3 fanboy every now and again. ;)
As you say, you have no proof to your arguments, hence that says it all really. Your arguments are baseless, and therefore it seems foolish to go overboard over speculation, and especially to your claim that MS could result in a future without better games and better hardware.
That's the same BS argument Nintendo fanboys used to use against Sony regarding the Playstation, claiming Sony are only interested in quantity over quality, and therefore claimed Sony would flood the market with cr*p and thus bring about the eventual downfall of the games industry.
Did it happen? No. Similar arguments were made regarding MS entering the console market with the XBox ("they are only in it for the money", "they will ruin the games market" etc), and did it happen? Nope. Will it happen? No. So cut out the nonsense please. The games industry is far stronger than that, and it thrives on competition, and whilst ALL the major three companies would like to dominate as much as possible, ALL three are aware that as much as they want to dominate, they also NEED the competition for the market to grow.
"All I said was, game coming to 360 - good, the means employed for bringing this and other games to the 360 - bad in the LONG RUN."
And all I said was I disagree, especially given the fact that you don't know the means employed to make this happen, you can only speculate, and even if it was true, I don't see it as bad in the long run at all.
"How does that make me a fanboy? I used to look at your posts with a certain respect, but I'm afraid, by your evasion and accusation, you lost that."
Well given your posts on QJ, I lost respect for you a long time ago, since you're just a closet fanboy (deny it all you like), so I guess the feeling is mutual. :)
"Sorry for the strong words. Just angry at bringing up a post relating to business practices and being accused of being a fanboy."
I see, so it's ok for you to call me a fanboy at the end of that first post, but when I direct the same accusation towards yourself, you are ever so shocked and offended! R-i-g-h-t.
From William Shakespeare's Hamlet, the Queen says "The lady doth protest too much, methinks", hence likewise, I feel that over being called a fanboy "You doth protest too much, methinks." :P
Have a nice day.
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Re: Games4James - 2008-07-21 |
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» And finally
Being biased towards a specific company or console does not make someone a fanboy Thinker, since a fanboy is a label given to someone who's support for one side is matched by their hatred for the other side.
Hence no matter how biased you feel someone is towards one console or company, by their comments or actions, they are not fanboys unless that biased results in a similar dislike for part or all of the competition.
Think about that next time before you play the fanboy card, and perhaps you will avoid being upset if that card is thrown back at you.
So to quote myself "you ARE as much a PS3/Sony fanboy as I am a MS/360 fanboy". Think about what that means in light of what I've just said, and then perhaps next time the discussion would be a little more polite all round.
Being biased towards a specific company or console does not make someone a fanboy Thinker, since a fanboy is a label given to someone who's support for one side is matched by their hatred for the other side.
Hence no matter how biased you feel someone is towards one console or company, by their comments or actions, they are not fanboys unless that biased results in a similar dislike for part or all of the competition.
Think about that next time before you play the fanboy card, and perhaps you will avoid being upset if that card is thrown back at you.
So to quote myself "you ARE as much a PS3/Sony fanboy as I am a MS/360 fanboy". Think about what that means in light of what I've just said, and then perhaps next time the discussion would be a little more polite all round.
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Re: Games4James - 2008-07-21 |
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» And finally finally Thinker
I just read through this thread again, and I think you're WAY over the top in the way you turned on me here, which I find very disappointing (hence my equally aggresive response).
Read it yourself and you'll see that I called you a hypocrite in response to your strong implication that I was a fanboy.
Calling you a hypocrite was NOT implying you are a fanboy, it was in response to the fact that you started your post by saying no-one should call YOU a fanboy, but you ended it by suggesting I'M a fanboy. That was the hypocracy I was referring to.
But after that ONE remark from me in defense (what did you expect btw?), you seem to have wound yourself up more and more with each new post, eventually responding as if I'd posted a lengthy attack against you .
So suddenly the gloves were off (as you said) and there you were giving me a really good kicking. Well thanks for nothing Thinker.
Perhaps you had a bad day, I don't know, but I do know that I didn't do you anything to justify that series of attacks from you. :(
I just read through this thread again, and I think you're WAY over the top in the way you turned on me here, which I find very disappointing (hence my equally aggresive response).
Read it yourself and you'll see that I called you a hypocrite in response to your strong implication that I was a fanboy.
Calling you a hypocrite was NOT implying you are a fanboy, it was in response to the fact that you started your post by saying no-one should call YOU a fanboy, but you ended it by suggesting I'M a fanboy. That was the hypocracy I was referring to.
But after that ONE remark from me in defense (what did you expect btw?), you seem to have wound yourself up more and more with each new post, eventually responding as if I'd posted a lengthy attack against you .
So suddenly the gloves were off (as you said) and there you were giving me a really good kicking. Well thanks for nothing Thinker.
Perhaps you had a bad day, I don't know, but I do know that I didn't do you anything to justify that series of attacks from you. :(
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Re: Thinker - 2008-07-22 |
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» @Games4James
"Think whatever you like Thinker......you ARE as much a PS3/Sony fanboy as I am a MS/360 fanboy."
-> You can say whatever you like, and if you feel you are fair and impartial, more power to you. As for that jab about token criticisms, I don't know whether QJ offers a search facility to search by User's posts (haven't tried - although I do know I can search out MY posts), you can look at my posts and decide for yourself. As I said, I speak from the viewpoint of owning and playing all three consoles. Don't know where you are coming from yourself.
"foolish to go overboard over speculation, and especially to your claim that MS could result in a future without better games and better hardware."
-> Well, the thing is, Nintendo fans may have expressed similar fears about Sony, but Sony is no MS. You really think what MS has done in the past with other products may not happen here?
"ALL three are aware that as much as they want to dominate, they also NEED the competition for the market to grow."
-> Well, do you really think anybody who wants to dominate WANTS competitors? Come on! All I'm saying is that MS has paid off developers in the past, and this sudden move makes me think this is how they got this one as well. And Microsoft has certainly successfully established itself as a monopoly in other markets, usually to the detriment of innovation (I'm sure you are aware of the Browser wars, and how they stayed stagnant for a long time until Firefox forced them to start moving again). All I'm saying is I don't prefer a gaming market where the only thing you see around for miles is MS, MS and MS, with no choices and Internet Explorer-5 like "innovation" and Windows-like "stability".
"Well given your posts on QJ, I lost respect for you a long time ago, since you're just a closet fanboy (deny it all you like), so I guess the feeling is mutual. :)"
-> As I said, you can think what you like - and convince yourself that I'm not even aware that I'm one :) - all I know is, I have tried out all present-gen consoles, own all of these, and regularly buy games for and play all of these. So you can pat yourself on the back thinking you've done your psycho-analysis bit on me if that makes you feel all warm inside ;) - I know where I'm coming from. But about this part "feeling is mutual", I'm afraid you are right. I guess the feeling of contempt is mutual, although I wish this weren't so - as I had hoped that given your polished language, you were someone with whom proper debates could be held, but no - you seemed to think only PS3 supporters required dismissal. As for a closet fanboy, you may need to go no farther than the mirror to find one :).
"I see, so it's ok for you to call me a fanboy at the end of that first post, but when I direct the same accusation towards yourself, you are ever so shocked and offended! R-i-g-h-t."
-> Let's go through a summary of my first post, shall we: I said this is what I think MS is doing, and looking at MS's business tactics and ESTABLISHED history, I think this is what is going to happen. Then I say I think your posts only seem to single out PS3-supporters (notice I didn't say FANBOY - you were the one who brought out that word). Then, your first response to my post seems to be an accusation of FANBOY to counter the statement I made about the general slant of your posts. Who was being touchy there? :) . After which, (in my eyes) you trid to twist my words about MS' methods, ignore ALL of MS past history and imply that this move towards a possible gaming monopoly is in our best interests. And then you think that shouldn't touch a nerve?
Well, nice to know you read some of the classics (I haven't - and this is not sarcasm about being knowledgeable abt classics). Afraid I don't know any appropriate quotes for this instance. As for your quote, I guess it falls in-line with what you've managed to convince yourself about me.
As for a dislike about the competition, what should I dislike? The console I own (a 360?) or on which I have played several games? In my mind, I li
"Think whatever you like Thinker......you ARE as much a PS3/Sony fanboy as I am a MS/360 fanboy."
-> You can say whatever you like, and if you feel you are fair and impartial, more power to you. As for that jab about token criticisms, I don't know whether QJ offers a search facility to search by User's posts (haven't tried - although I do know I can search out MY posts), you can look at my posts and decide for yourself. As I said, I speak from the viewpoint of owning and playing all three consoles. Don't know where you are coming from yourself.
"foolish to go overboard over speculation, and especially to your claim that MS could result in a future without better games and better hardware."
-> Well, the thing is, Nintendo fans may have expressed similar fears about Sony, but Sony is no MS. You really think what MS has done in the past with other products may not happen here?
"ALL three are aware that as much as they want to dominate, they also NEED the competition for the market to grow."
-> Well, do you really think anybody who wants to dominate WANTS competitors? Come on! All I'm saying is that MS has paid off developers in the past, and this sudden move makes me think this is how they got this one as well. And Microsoft has certainly successfully established itself as a monopoly in other markets, usually to the detriment of innovation (I'm sure you are aware of the Browser wars, and how they stayed stagnant for a long time until Firefox forced them to start moving again). All I'm saying is I don't prefer a gaming market where the only thing you see around for miles is MS, MS and MS, with no choices and Internet Explorer-5 like "innovation" and Windows-like "stability".
"Well given your posts on QJ, I lost respect for you a long time ago, since you're just a closet fanboy (deny it all you like), so I guess the feeling is mutual. :)"
-> As I said, you can think what you like - and convince yourself that I'm not even aware that I'm one :) - all I know is, I have tried out all present-gen consoles, own all of these, and regularly buy games for and play all of these. So you can pat yourself on the back thinking you've done your psycho-analysis bit on me if that makes you feel all warm inside ;) - I know where I'm coming from. But about this part "feeling is mutual", I'm afraid you are right. I guess the feeling of contempt is mutual, although I wish this weren't so - as I had hoped that given your polished language, you were someone with whom proper debates could be held, but no - you seemed to think only PS3 supporters required dismissal. As for a closet fanboy, you may need to go no farther than the mirror to find one :).
"I see, so it's ok for you to call me a fanboy at the end of that first post, but when I direct the same accusation towards yourself, you are ever so shocked and offended! R-i-g-h-t."
-> Let's go through a summary of my first post, shall we: I said this is what I think MS is doing, and looking at MS's business tactics and ESTABLISHED history, I think this is what is going to happen. Then I say I think your posts only seem to single out PS3-supporters (notice I didn't say FANBOY - you were the one who brought out that word). Then, your first response to my post seems to be an accusation of FANBOY to counter the statement I made about the general slant of your posts. Who was being touchy there? :) . After which, (in my eyes) you trid to twist my words about MS' methods, ignore ALL of MS past history and imply that this move towards a possible gaming monopoly is in our best interests. And then you think that shouldn't touch a nerve?
Well, nice to know you read some of the classics (I haven't - and this is not sarcasm about being knowledgeable abt classics). Afraid I don't know any appropriate quotes for this instance. As for your quote, I guess it falls in-line with what you've managed to convince yourself about me.
As for a dislike about the competition, what should I dislike? The console I own (a 360?) or on which I have played several games? In my mind, I li
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» @Games4James
Sorry - seems QJ can't handle extra-long posts:)
Continued...
As for a dislike about the competition, what should I dislike? The console I own (a 360?) or on which I have played several games? In my mind, I like all three consoles and favor the PS3 because - in my eyes - it is technologically better, more reliable technically and offers more for nearly the same amount of money. This does not mean I dislike the 360 or Wii (or MS and Nintendo), as both have their specific pluses as well. The ONLY THING I DISLIKE (and this is now probably the 10th time I'm saying this) is MS's history of underhandedness and it's habit of staying stagnant and stopping off innovation from competitors once it has established a monopoly, which led me to express my fears. I hope I've made my opinion as clear as possible. No I DO NOT HATE MS, but I do dislike the methods they use to get to the top, or the pond-like tendency they acquire once they get there. If you don't get what I'm saying even now, and still are comfortable thinking I hate MS, then I guess you'll never understand my perspective.
"you'll see that I called you a hypocrite in response to your strong implication that I was a fanboy."
-> Well, I guess it makes you feel vindicated to ASSUME that I accused you of being a fanboy FIRST, but I KNOW that was not the case. I merely said it feels you are always singling out PS3-supporting posts. Still, I know how psychology works, you WANT to feel justified in bashing my post. Go ahead and think whatever you want if that makes you feel any better.
"Perhaps you had a bad day, I don't know, but I do know that I didn't do you anything to justify that series of attacks from you. :( "
-> Well, maybe the SERIES of attacks weren' justified, and I apologize for that, but in my eyes, I NEVER accused you of being a fanboy first, only implied you seem to be singling out PS3-fans. You were the one who accused me of being a hypocrite. So my first reaction, I feel, was justified, although the CHAIN of posts might not have been.
"Think about what that means in light of what I've just said, and then perhaps next time the discussion would be a little more polite all round. "
-> Well, I certainly hope we have a more polite debate next time - although I'm of the mind it requires a willingness to think from the other person's point-of-view as well to make it a debate or a discussion, otherwise it just devolves into an argument, which has what this has become here.
Have a nice day.
Sorry - seems QJ can't handle extra-long posts:)
Continued...
As for a dislike about the competition, what should I dislike? The console I own (a 360?) or on which I have played several games? In my mind, I like all three consoles and favor the PS3 because - in my eyes - it is technologically better, more reliable technically and offers more for nearly the same amount of money. This does not mean I dislike the 360 or Wii (or MS and Nintendo), as both have their specific pluses as well. The ONLY THING I DISLIKE (and this is now probably the 10th time I'm saying this) is MS's history of underhandedness and it's habit of staying stagnant and stopping off innovation from competitors once it has established a monopoly, which led me to express my fears. I hope I've made my opinion as clear as possible. No I DO NOT HATE MS, but I do dislike the methods they use to get to the top, or the pond-like tendency they acquire once they get there. If you don't get what I'm saying even now, and still are comfortable thinking I hate MS, then I guess you'll never understand my perspective.
"you'll see that I called you a hypocrite in response to your strong implication that I was a fanboy."
-> Well, I guess it makes you feel vindicated to ASSUME that I accused you of being a fanboy FIRST, but I KNOW that was not the case. I merely said it feels you are always singling out PS3-supporting posts. Still, I know how psychology works, you WANT to feel justified in bashing my post. Go ahead and think whatever you want if that makes you feel any better.
"Perhaps you had a bad day, I don't know, but I do know that I didn't do you anything to justify that series of attacks from you. :( "
-> Well, maybe the SERIES of attacks weren' justified, and I apologize for that, but in my eyes, I NEVER accused you of being a fanboy first, only implied you seem to be singling out PS3-fans. You were the one who accused me of being a hypocrite. So my first reaction, I feel, was justified, although the CHAIN of posts might not have been.
"Think about what that means in light of what I've just said, and then perhaps next time the discussion would be a little more polite all round. "
-> Well, I certainly hope we have a more polite debate next time - although I'm of the mind it requires a willingness to think from the other person's point-of-view as well to make it a debate or a discussion, otherwise it just devolves into an argument, which has what this has become here.
Have a nice day.
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Re: Games4James - 2008-07-22 |
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» Ok, fine
"Well, maybe the SERIES of attacks weren' justified, and I apologize for that, but in my eyes, I NEVER accused you of being a fanboy first, only implied you seem to be singling out "PS3-fans. You were the one who accused me of being a hypocrite. So my first reaction, I feel, was justified, although the CHAIN of posts might not have been.""
I do feel there was an element of hypocracy in that post, even if unintentional, but that's not what I want to say here, ...
...I want to apologise for some of my comments in response to your chain of attacks against me, I got a little annoyed and it showed. Once I posted it, I wasn't happy with some of the comments (some were just 'tit for tat', including the issue of respect), but you can't edit posts here, and hence I immediately summited the post titled "And finally".
The point of that post (which you've misunderstood unfortunately) was to say that neither of us are fanboys, it was not to support the claim that you're a fanboy.
You are biased towards Sony/PS3 (don't deny it, it shows ;)) and I'm biased towards Microsoft/360 (which also shows), hence we clashed here, but neither of us express a dislike towards the competition, quite the contrary in fact (expect on certain issues perhaps) and therefore neither of us are fanboys. That's what I was saying, hoping to clear the air a little after things got rather heated.
"Well, I certainly hope we have a more polite debate next time - although I'm of the mind it requires a willingness to think from the other person's point-of-view as well to make it a debate or a discussion, otherwise it just devolves into an argument, which has what this has become here."
Agreed, and I think if you're being honest, anger meant we both managed to stray a little from that path here, saying a few things neither of us really meant (I hope), which I believe is unusual behaviour for both of us on QJ.
So I look forward to a better discussion next time. This onw, well I think we'll have to agree to disagree and move on. Agreed? :)
"Well, maybe the SERIES of attacks weren' justified, and I apologize for that, but in my eyes, I NEVER accused you of being a fanboy first, only implied you seem to be singling out "PS3-fans. You were the one who accused me of being a hypocrite. So my first reaction, I feel, was justified, although the CHAIN of posts might not have been.""
I do feel there was an element of hypocracy in that post, even if unintentional, but that's not what I want to say here, ...
...I want to apologise for some of my comments in response to your chain of attacks against me, I got a little annoyed and it showed. Once I posted it, I wasn't happy with some of the comments (some were just 'tit for tat', including the issue of respect), but you can't edit posts here, and hence I immediately summited the post titled "And finally".
The point of that post (which you've misunderstood unfortunately) was to say that neither of us are fanboys, it was not to support the claim that you're a fanboy.
You are biased towards Sony/PS3 (don't deny it, it shows ;)) and I'm biased towards Microsoft/360 (which also shows), hence we clashed here, but neither of us express a dislike towards the competition, quite the contrary in fact (expect on certain issues perhaps) and therefore neither of us are fanboys. That's what I was saying, hoping to clear the air a little after things got rather heated.
"Well, I certainly hope we have a more polite debate next time - although I'm of the mind it requires a willingness to think from the other person's point-of-view as well to make it a debate or a discussion, otherwise it just devolves into an argument, which has what this has become here."
Agreed, and I think if you're being honest, anger meant we both managed to stray a little from that path here, saying a few things neither of us really meant (I hope), which I believe is unusual behaviour for both of us on QJ.
So I look forward to a better discussion next time. This onw, well I think we'll have to agree to disagree and move on. Agreed? :)
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» @Games4James
"I want to apologise for some of my comments in response to your chain of attacks against me, I got a little annoyed and it showed."
-> Actually, that was me as well, and I guess I got a little carried away too. Apologies :)
"You are biased towards Sony/PS3"
-> I've never denied that. I even say it outright (in my first - or was it second? - post). I do like the PS3, but don't hate MS or Nintendo or shun their products. What they are offering is not bad as well, and so I own and enjoy their consoles too.
"This onw, well I think we'll have to agree to disagree and move on. Agreed? :) "
-> Agreed :)
"I want to apologise for some of my comments in response to your chain of attacks against me, I got a little annoyed and it showed."
-> Actually, that was me as well, and I guess I got a little carried away too. Apologies :)
"You are biased towards Sony/PS3"
-> I've never denied that. I even say it outright (in my first - or was it second? - post). I do like the PS3, but don't hate MS or Nintendo or shun their products. What they are offering is not bad as well, and so I own and enjoy their consoles too.
"This onw, well I think we'll have to agree to disagree and move on. Agreed? :) "
-> Agreed :)
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by Psylink - 2008-07-17 |
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» meh... crybabies
i must say sony fan-boys are the whinest bunch of children
as stated above, square enix did jump ship from nintendo and moved on to other consoles, they go where the money is.
ffxi is on 360, they see that people who played the game on ps2 and pc, actually bought the game a 2nd time just for the xbox360.
honestly i come to qj.net less and less because of all the whiney children and flaming, i quickly scan any news, read what i need and quickly leave the site.
if it is a remake, i will be playing it. i can say i am a fan of the FF franchise, a fan of square-enix, NOT a fan of a console. all of you people complaining on every post relating to ffvii or square "backstabbing" sony. grow up, the game is being released because of fans on multiple systems, if you hate 360 and love ps3... buy it for ps3 and stop complaining over something you can not and will NOT change.
i must say sony fan-boys are the whinest bunch of children
as stated above, square enix did jump ship from nintendo and moved on to other consoles, they go where the money is.
ffxi is on 360, they see that people who played the game on ps2 and pc, actually bought the game a 2nd time just for the xbox360.
honestly i come to qj.net less and less because of all the whiney children and flaming, i quickly scan any news, read what i need and quickly leave the site.
if it is a remake, i will be playing it. i can say i am a fan of the FF franchise, a fan of square-enix, NOT a fan of a console. all of you people complaining on every post relating to ffvii or square "backstabbing" sony. grow up, the game is being released because of fans on multiple systems, if you hate 360 and love ps3... buy it for ps3 and stop complaining over something you can not and will NOT change.
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by mpcooper - 2008-07-17 |
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» OMG
OMG maybe its a brand new game that isnt Final Fantasy 29 or Kingdom Hearts 9. Seriously Though their are way too many remakes and not enough new games coming out. Maybe SE big news is that their porting FF7 to the psp or ds or releasing it with the other final fantasy games.
OMG maybe its a brand new game that isnt Final Fantasy 29 or Kingdom Hearts 9. Seriously Though their are way too many remakes and not enough new games coming out. Maybe SE big news is that their porting FF7 to the psp or ds or releasing it with the other final fantasy games.
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by Rasb23 - 2008-07-17 |
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