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by The Mallrat (Unregistered) - 2006-12-31 |
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» Hmm
Looking at the site that you have taken the images from, it looks as though you have the HD-DVD picture on the left and upscaled DVD on the right.
The website has the blu-ray pic on top, HD-DVD in the middle and upscaled DVD on the bottom and from their pictures, the HD-DVD does look better than the blu-ray and they point out that the colours on the blu-ray were over-saturated.
Looking at the site that you have taken the images from, it looks as though you have the HD-DVD picture on the left and upscaled DVD on the right.
The website has the blu-ray pic on top, HD-DVD in the middle and upscaled DVD on the bottom and from their pictures, the HD-DVD does look better than the blu-ray and they point out that the colours on the blu-ray were over-saturated.
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by Supergrover (Unregistered) - 2006-12-31 |
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» What a waste of time...
The guy doesn't even get the same exact scenes and on top of that when you pause, there are some scenes that are more clear than others.
This guy is an obvious amateur and should climb back into the hole he came out from!
The guy doesn't even get the same exact scenes and on top of that when you pause, there are some scenes that are more clear than others.
This guy is an obvious amateur and should climb back into the hole he came out from!
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Re: Vietone - 2006-12-31 |
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» Wrong
Dark Scenes are commonly used to showcase the quality of a player and the TV.
Because a good TV will be able to represent all the dark areas clearly and be distinguishable, while the player will be able to output a quality picture for the TV.
Dark Scenes are commonly used to showcase the quality of a player and the TV.
Because a good TV will be able to represent all the dark areas clearly and be distinguishable, while the player will be able to output a quality picture for the TV.
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Re: lol (Unregistered) - 2006-12-31 |
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» lol
SuperGrover just got owned. Know what youre talking about before you open yor trap.
SuperGrover just got owned. Know what youre talking about before you open yor trap.
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by Henry (Unregistered) - 2006-12-31 |
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» Too bias
This guy is obviously siding on HD-DVD, i admit some HD-DVD are much more clear, but then again, he's using a camera to show us the picture. Also, there were a good number of picture where Blu-ray was better where he claim HD-DVD was better. That review is just a waste of time and too bias. It's not worth reading.
This guy is obviously siding on HD-DVD, i admit some HD-DVD are much more clear, but then again, he's using a camera to show us the picture. Also, there were a good number of picture where Blu-ray was better where he claim HD-DVD was better. That review is just a waste of time and too bias. It's not worth reading.
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Re: drunken monky (Unregistered) - 2006-12-31 |
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» i think you are too bias
i know that you are obviously a fanboy.
1. he can see a lot better than we can because he has it in front of him.
2. taking a pic of a tv isn't easy he needs a much better camera
3. in all the av forums i frequent it is the same the give horrible reviews to the BD version and HD-DVD always better.
get your head out of Sony's a$$ for a quick breath and maybe you will see the light, of HD-DVD being a better format now. maybe when sony figures it out it will be better or the same who knows.
i know that you are obviously a fanboy.
1. he can see a lot better than we can because he has it in front of him.
2. taking a pic of a tv isn't easy he needs a much better camera
3. in all the av forums i frequent it is the same the give horrible reviews to the BD version and HD-DVD always better.
get your head out of Sony's a$$ for a quick breath and maybe you will see the light, of HD-DVD being a better format now. maybe when sony figures it out it will be better or the same who knows.
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by MisterAV (Unregistered) - 2006-12-31 |
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» maybe the codec
I read that BD use MPEG2 codec now and HD-DVD use another better codec. But only now becose after BD will take the same codec. And i read that BD have menu in java better than DVD. HD-DVD i dont know. MPEG2 doesn't take the advantage of 50GB of space vs 30GB of HD-DVD.
I read that BD use MPEG2 codec now and HD-DVD use another better codec. But only now becose after BD will take the same codec. And i read that BD have menu in java better than DVD. HD-DVD i dont know. MPEG2 doesn't take the advantage of 50GB of space vs 30GB of HD-DVD.
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by vega480 (Unregistered) - 2006-12-31 |
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» Still too close
Why test it on a 1080i TV, that means it converting it from the original quality, maybe not much but still. If the only difference is brightness for most scenes? that can be adjusted on the tv, he should have adjusted after the first time he noticed it so you can compare the details. I do see his point about the features that one format has over the other, hopefully that will change, but then again I hardly if ever watch those, I want the best effort going into the movie not how it was made.
Why test it on a 1080i TV, that means it converting it from the original quality, maybe not much but still. If the only difference is brightness for most scenes? that can be adjusted on the tv, he should have adjusted after the first time he noticed it so you can compare the details. I do see his point about the features that one format has over the other, hopefully that will change, but then again I hardly if ever watch those, I want the best effort going into the movie not how it was made.
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Re: nightshade15 - 2006-12-31 |
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» Well
here, The movie has 3 native versions, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p, there is no converting involved.
I own that TV, and have it set to factory settings because it already looks great. Its a 37'' Sharp Aquos at max 1080i. The only problem here I see is that hes using a camra. The camra could easily the problem here. But the quality of the camra is pretty good, pretty close depiction. I don't like changing the TV's settings every time I use a PS3. (You were talking about changing the brightness, it would be TOO bright for normal TV signals and my 360. So if its too dark, its too dark. If it can fixed on the tv's settings, that is not a typical fix when I watch MORE tv then watch movies. (But I still watch HD-DVD movies and a friend brought over a PS3 and watched Last Samuri and it was just too dark so I had to mess with the settings and it just was over doing it just to watch a movie so then after that I had to set it back to factory settings. My 2 cents.
here, The movie has 3 native versions, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p, there is no converting involved.
I own that TV, and have it set to factory settings because it already looks great. Its a 37'' Sharp Aquos at max 1080i. The only problem here I see is that hes using a camra. The camra could easily the problem here. But the quality of the camra is pretty good, pretty close depiction. I don't like changing the TV's settings every time I use a PS3. (You were talking about changing the brightness, it would be TOO bright for normal TV signals and my 360. So if its too dark, its too dark. If it can fixed on the tv's settings, that is not a typical fix when I watch MORE tv then watch movies. (But I still watch HD-DVD movies and a friend brought over a PS3 and watched Last Samuri and it was just too dark so I had to mess with the settings and it just was over doing it just to watch a movie so then after that I had to set it back to factory settings. My 2 cents.
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Re: illjot (Unregistered) - 2007-01-02 |
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» darkness
I think that the HD-DVD was slightly to bright in some scenes. Especially visible in the 8th scene/second scene of last samurai were detail in the clothing of the people up is not as clear as the Blu-Ray version. And I prefer the not having a white shade to my movies (just my opinion I'm not an expert unlike what everyone else is trying to act like.
I think that the HD-DVD was slightly to bright in some scenes. Especially visible in the 8th scene/second scene of last samurai were detail in the clothing of the people up is not as clear as the Blu-Ray version. And I prefer the not having a white shade to my movies (just my opinion I'm not an expert unlike what everyone else is trying to act like.
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by Vietone - 2006-12-31 |
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» This comparison is flawed.
Because the fact that his TV isnt calibrated, totally voids this comparison.
The difference he makes is that the blue-ray is over saturated or darker.
Truth is, his signals from the HD DVD player are too bright, as the blacks dont look black but a slight step between black and grey.
These could bet the cause of many things like the camera or something but since his TV isnt calibrated, this makes comparisons totally void.
If you want to see a worthly comparison, a TV has to be calibrated for all inputs, every TV comes from the factory as the default configurations, some TVs have color issues while most are too bright.
Calibrating a TV is as easy as purchasing a DVD that tells you how. In a calibrated image, you see what the movie is suppose to be showing. Its like Dolby certified theaters. They have to meet specific standards for their projectors and screens to be able to rent the receivers from Dolby.
Because the fact that his TV isnt calibrated, totally voids this comparison.
The difference he makes is that the blue-ray is over saturated or darker.
Truth is, his signals from the HD DVD player are too bright, as the blacks dont look black but a slight step between black and grey.
These could bet the cause of many things like the camera or something but since his TV isnt calibrated, this makes comparisons totally void.
If you want to see a worthly comparison, a TV has to be calibrated for all inputs, every TV comes from the factory as the default configurations, some TVs have color issues while most are too bright.
Calibrating a TV is as easy as purchasing a DVD that tells you how. In a calibrated image, you see what the movie is suppose to be showing. Its like Dolby certified theaters. They have to meet specific standards for their projectors and screens to be able to rent the receivers from Dolby.
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Re: YAwwn (Unregistered) - 2006-12-31 |
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» ZZzzZZz
Im sorry do you have something interesting to say??? This comparison has been done on numerous sites already, and his results are the SAME. The HXdvd and 360 have a better overall color, and the PS3 appears washed out at times. Get over yourself.
Im sorry do you have something interesting to say??? This comparison has been done on numerous sites already, and his results are the SAME. The HXdvd and 360 have a better overall color, and the PS3 appears washed out at times. Get over yourself.
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Re: drunken monky (Unregistered) - 2006-12-31 |
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» yawwn has a poing
like i said above, in every comparison in general of hd + bd, the hd versions always come out on top!
like i said above, in every comparison in general of hd + bd, the hd versions always come out on top!
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Re: Lurker (Unregistered) - 2007-01-02 |
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» Vietones fanboy colors shine again
Come on man. Any respecting videophile knows HD-DVD has a better picture than Blueray. Just read up on AVSforms or afterdawn. And to think Mpeg2 encodes could touch vc-1 is just laughable.
Come on man. Any respecting videophile knows HD-DVD has a better picture than Blueray. Just read up on AVSforms or afterdawn. And to think Mpeg2 encodes could touch vc-1 is just laughable.
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by Regime2008 - 2006-12-31 |
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» my question is....
are those two images swapped, cause on the site, it looks more like HD dvd is on the left n blu ray on the right....just right click the image n look at its file name....
are those two images swapped, cause on the site, it looks more like HD dvd is on the left n blu ray on the right....just right click the image n look at its file name....
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by rolly poly (Unregistered) - 2006-12-31 |
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» um
he used the same settings on the display for all playback devices, this is known as a control. if he were to tweak the tv so each device looks better the reliability of the comparison is lost.
yes the best way to compare the formats is with screen grabs not pictures, we'll see that soon enough.
however that does not make his comparison false or invalid in anyway. he showed how the 3 formats stacked up against each other under as identical setups as currently possible.
he used the same settings on the display for all playback devices, this is known as a control. if he were to tweak the tv so each device looks better the reliability of the comparison is lost.
yes the best way to compare the formats is with screen grabs not pictures, we'll see that soon enough.
however that does not make his comparison false or invalid in anyway. he showed how the 3 formats stacked up against each other under as identical setups as currently possible.
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by Mdubz - 2006-12-31 |
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» HD DVD WINS
Once again, HD DVD wins. Face the facts. :P
Once again, HD DVD wins. Face the facts. :P
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by yo (Unregistered) - 2006-12-31 |
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» lol
Blu-Ray sucks balls!!!!!!
Blu-Ray sucks balls!!!!!!
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by Viphid (Unregistered) - 2006-12-31 |
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» Hrmmmm...
Frankly my dear... I don't give a damn. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are a waste of time and money. Give me my HD Downloadable movies on XBL Marketplace anyday. Besides, wasn't this settled a while ago? HD-DVD is and was always rated better than Blu-Ray if people must care. Two Japanese companies made an HD Format Disc and Toshiba won (not that Sony didn't make a great product, its just not as good). Nuff Said!!
-V
Frankly my dear... I don't give a damn. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are a waste of time and money. Give me my HD Downloadable movies on XBL Marketplace anyday. Besides, wasn't this settled a while ago? HD-DVD is and was always rated better than Blu-Ray if people must care. Two Japanese companies made an HD Format Disc and Toshiba won (not that Sony didn't make a great product, its just not as good). Nuff Said!!
-V
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by Shatterdome - 2006-12-31 |
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» hehe
All of this BS talk and guess what, it could also be differences in how all your monitors are setup, looking at a digicam pic of yet another physical source......geez these images are only being converted 3 times from the original source (media disc -> tv -> digicam -> comressed jpg -> our monitors with diff bright/contrast/colour settings) so yeah, of course we will all get different representations...it's all moot as far as i'm concerned....the fact is HD-DVD uses a better codec, and until BD adopts that, we know what the outcome of these test will be, so they are not needed....
All of this BS talk and guess what, it could also be differences in how all your monitors are setup, looking at a digicam pic of yet another physical source......geez these images are only being converted 3 times from the original source (media disc -> tv -> digicam -> comressed jpg -> our monitors with diff bright/contrast/colour settings) so yeah, of course we will all get different representations...it's all moot as far as i'm concerned....the fact is HD-DVD uses a better codec, and until BD adopts that, we know what the outcome of these test will be, so they are not needed....
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Re: Fred (Unregistered) - 2007-01-01 |
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» Cables
the difference in the picture is mainly from the cables used, the ps3 is using hdmi which is far better quality that component, and atm there is no way to get hdmi on 360 so the ps3 will look better until a hdmi cable for 360 comes out
the difference in the picture is mainly from the cables used, the ps3 is using hdmi which is far better quality that component, and atm there is no way to get hdmi on 360 so the ps3 will look better until a hdmi cable for 360 comes out
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Re: Lurker (Unregistered) - 2007-01-02 |
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» Fred, do you homework
Before commenting on something you know nothing about, read up on the subject. It will help you look less foolish.
Before commenting on something you know nothing about, read up on the subject. It will help you look less foolish.
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by zecky (Unregistered) - 2007-01-01 |
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» lol
My god this is horrible, not only are the tests crap, but youve got the pictures mixed up, or youve intentionally done it to make blu ray seem good i dont no. But hd-dvd is clearly the one in the left with the great picture. And he clearly says that in the full article. You should either edit this or delete it cuz its bolocks
My god this is horrible, not only are the tests crap, but youve got the pictures mixed up, or youve intentionally done it to make blu ray seem good i dont no. But hd-dvd is clearly the one in the left with the great picture. And he clearly says that in the full article. You should either edit this or delete it cuz its bolocks
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Re: zecky edit (Unregistered) - 2007-01-01 |
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» The final lines in the review
Ive just decided the guy who wrote this qj article is either an idiot or a big fan boy. Because in the article he links to at the end it says this.
"Overall this test was to see what next gen game system player is superior, and based on these tests, I would have to say that the 360 add on is the clear winner. Movies on the Blu Ray do look great, but with color levels that are more even allowing for greater levels of clarity, HD DVD just looks better, even over component cables."
Ive just decided the guy who wrote this qj article is either an idiot or a big fan boy. Because in the article he links to at the end it says this.
"Overall this test was to see what next gen game system player is superior, and based on these tests, I would have to say that the 360 add on is the clear winner. Movies on the Blu Ray do look great, but with color levels that are more even allowing for greater levels of clarity, HD DVD just looks better, even over component cables."
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by OKAY (Unregistered) - 2007-01-01 |
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» VEVERYBODy
ALL OF U *****ERZzZ IS YELLING AND STUFF BOUT WHITCH ONE IS BETTER right, but do u even have one? i bet you only 5 people in here have a hd dvd player extension for their 360 and only 5 people have a ps3(i have both) so arguing aint gonna do anything becuase it doest effect u guys because no one has them. HAHA
ALL OF U *****ERZzZ IS YELLING AND STUFF BOUT WHITCH ONE IS BETTER right, but do u even have one? i bet you only 5 people in here have a hd dvd player extension for their 360 and only 5 people have a ps3(i have both) so arguing aint gonna do anything becuase it doest effect u guys because no one has them. HAHA
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Re: Regime2008 - 2007-01-04 |
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» u my friend...
suck male penizes
suck male penizes
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by Xbox is the best (Unregistered) - 2007-01-01 |
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» doesn't matter
bluray vs hddvd doesn't matter, xbox 360 will still pawn playstation 3
bluray vs hddvd doesn't matter, xbox 360 will still pawn playstation 3
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by Al (Unregistered) - 2007-01-23 |
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» This is not a valid comparison
First off, if someone is going to do a Fair comparison of HD DVD and Blue Ray you must have a properly calibrated TV, second of all the three players should be connected to the TV using the same type of connector. For the purpose of this comparison the testor should have connected all three devices using components cables since all three devices support component cable, and then set the output to 1080i. Comparing a PS3 that is connected via HDMI to a Xbox 360 w/HD DVD that is connected via component cable gives the PS3 an unfair advantage. When using components cables the Xbox 360 must convert a digital image to analog and then ouput it to the TV. This potentially introduces noise to the image. I have a 360 w/HD DVD player that is connected via component cables and a PS3 connected via HDMI to a ISF calibrated TV. When comparing movies between these two systems, the Blue Ray movies appear smoother, more 3D like, while the HD DVD movies appear grainier but more film like. Color saturation vary from movie to movie so it depends on the movie. I'm certain that with my particular setup HD DVD movies would look at least as good or most likely better than Blue Ray movies if the 360 could output the video via HDMI. From my understanding both formats are stored at 1080P on the disc, however each format use different codecs to store the content. HD DVD use VC-1 whiles most Blue Ray disc are currently using the old mpeg 2 codec. How the movie was encoded is a big factor when it comes to picture quality. Anyways my point is a good deal of the differences between the two formats right now, have more to do with how the movie is encoded and how the players are connected to the TV when a comparison is made.
First off, if someone is going to do a Fair comparison of HD DVD and Blue Ray you must have a properly calibrated TV, second of all the three players should be connected to the TV using the same type of connector. For the purpose of this comparison the testor should have connected all three devices using components cables since all three devices support component cable, and then set the output to 1080i. Comparing a PS3 that is connected via HDMI to a Xbox 360 w/HD DVD that is connected via component cable gives the PS3 an unfair advantage. When using components cables the Xbox 360 must convert a digital image to analog and then ouput it to the TV. This potentially introduces noise to the image. I have a 360 w/HD DVD player that is connected via component cables and a PS3 connected via HDMI to a ISF calibrated TV. When comparing movies between these two systems, the Blue Ray movies appear smoother, more 3D like, while the HD DVD movies appear grainier but more film like. Color saturation vary from movie to movie so it depends on the movie. I'm certain that with my particular setup HD DVD movies would look at least as good or most likely better than Blue Ray movies if the 360 could output the video via HDMI. From my understanding both formats are stored at 1080P on the disc, however each format use different codecs to store the content. HD DVD use VC-1 whiles most Blue Ray disc are currently using the old mpeg 2 codec. How the movie was encoded is a big factor when it comes to picture quality. Anyways my point is a good deal of the differences between the two formats right now, have more to do with how the movie is encoded and how the players are connected to the TV when a comparison is made.
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by Furu (Unregistered) - 2007-01-29 |
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» Nicely said Al
The question here is not about which format is better. The question here is if the test is any good. The tester tries to make a decent test, but unfortunately fails. It's only due to false calibrations (none), bad connections to tv and using camera images to bring them to the us, the viewers.
Using VC-1 is always better, but blu-ray can try to match it's quality with MPEG2 IF it uses the full capacity of a 50gb disc. But still mostly it usually loses. Luckily newer movies on blu-ray use VC-1 which makes the comparison more reasonable. If the tester connect's the devices to the tv with the proper cables, test the images in 480p & 1080i and 1080p, then we can start to compare real differences.
I do own a PS3, but I do not question the quality of the Xbox 360 add-on HD-DVD player. I'm just trying to say what people already said on the tester's page and here of the flaws in the test itself.
Long live the PCPS3Wii360 combo!
The question here is not about which format is better. The question here is if the test is any good. The tester tries to make a decent test, but unfortunately fails. It's only due to false calibrations (none), bad connections to tv and using camera images to bring them to the us, the viewers.
Using VC-1 is always better, but blu-ray can try to match it's quality with MPEG2 IF it uses the full capacity of a 50gb disc. But still mostly it usually loses. Luckily newer movies on blu-ray use VC-1 which makes the comparison more reasonable. If the tester connect's the devices to the tv with the proper cables, test the images in 480p & 1080i and 1080p, then we can start to compare real differences.
I do own a PS3, but I do not question the quality of the Xbox 360 add-on HD-DVD player. I'm just trying to say what people already said on the tester's page and here of the flaws in the test itself.
Long live the PCPS3Wii360 combo!
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