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The UK does it much better than the U.S., which rates a game that's inappropriate for minors and then sells it to them. I think the U.K. has got it right. You rate a game and you can't sell it to people if it falls in a certain category - the rating actually has a sanction, whereas in the U.S. the rating means nothing. |
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by ~ (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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Can somebody tell me, who is this guy !?
I've been seeing his picture all over the net, but who the hell is this guy anyway o0
j/k
Well, its idiotic that a handfull of people get to decide what kindof games an entire country is allowed to buy. They dont outlaw movies such as Saw ? Guess they still associate the word 'video game' with little kids. Guess what, there are also alot of people who aren't adults playing games. And I am pretty sure these people are gettin fed up with playing kiddygames.
Can somebody tell me, who is this guy !?
I've been seeing his picture all over the net, but who the hell is this guy anyway o0
j/k
Well, its idiotic that a handfull of people get to decide what kindof games an entire country is allowed to buy. They dont outlaw movies such as Saw ? Guess they still associate the word 'video game' with little kids. Guess what, there are also alot of people who aren't adults playing games. And I am pretty sure these people are gettin fed up with playing kiddygames.
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Re: Jonathan Coit (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» Jack Thompson is CRAZY
"The UK does it much better than the U.S., which rates a game that's inappropriate for minors and then sells it to them. I think the U.K. has got it right. You rate a game and you can't sell it to people if it falls in a certain category - the rating actually has a sanction, whereas in the U.S. the rating means nothing."
A) The US doesn't sell the game to minors, the ESRB was created to tell minors what they can and cannot play. Parents and irresponsible clerks sell games to minors, and in some states have to pay fines for doing so.
B) Rating a game and disallowing it's release is censorship. Censoring a game for a younger audience is intended, but censoring it for the intended audience is just plain stupidity and immaturity.
C) When I was 16 I could NOT rent "Conker's Bad Fur Day" on N64, reason being that it was rated 'M' and the clerks were cautious about age ratings. If this act, of keeping an M rated game out of a 17 year old's hands is the "rating meaning nothing" I do not understand what more you want.
In conclusion, I hope they find Jack Thompson crazy and unable to practice law, as by his many accusations throughout the years he is obviously not understanding the ESRB and the rating system in place, and it seems so simple a child could figure it out. Everyone can grow up and release a video game.
"The UK does it much better than the U.S., which rates a game that's inappropriate for minors and then sells it to them. I think the U.K. has got it right. You rate a game and you can't sell it to people if it falls in a certain category - the rating actually has a sanction, whereas in the U.S. the rating means nothing."
A) The US doesn't sell the game to minors, the ESRB was created to tell minors what they can and cannot play. Parents and irresponsible clerks sell games to minors, and in some states have to pay fines for doing so.
B) Rating a game and disallowing it's release is censorship. Censoring a game for a younger audience is intended, but censoring it for the intended audience is just plain stupidity and immaturity.
C) When I was 16 I could NOT rent "Conker's Bad Fur Day" on N64, reason being that it was rated 'M' and the clerks were cautious about age ratings. If this act, of keeping an M rated game out of a 17 year old's hands is the "rating meaning nothing" I do not understand what more you want.
In conclusion, I hope they find Jack Thompson crazy and unable to practice law, as by his many accusations throughout the years he is obviously not understanding the ESRB and the rating system in place, and it seems so simple a child could figure it out. Everyone can grow up and release a video game.
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Re: asdasdf (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» I HATE HIM
WHY JACK WHY!
WHY JACK WHY!
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Re: metralspector (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» Wow
First time I agree with Jack Thompson, US ratings should follow UK ratings, this way Manhunt 2 is banned and whenever such a sadistic horrible game reappears (which will appear like in 2-5 more years) then it would be banned too.
First time I agree with Jack Thompson, US ratings should follow UK ratings, this way Manhunt 2 is banned and whenever such a sadistic horrible game reappears (which will appear like in 2-5 more years) then it would be banned too.
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Re: . (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» .
someone should ban you from the US
someone should ban you from the US
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Re: somedude (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» to metralspector
are you on this guy's ***** or something? You can't ban a game from the audience it was rated for. I don't see much difference in manhunt 2 and the movie saw. It's easier for a kid to sneak in and see saw than get an m rated game.
are you on this guy's ***** or something? You can't ban a game from the audience it was rated for. I don't see much difference in manhunt 2 and the movie saw. It's easier for a kid to sneak in and see saw than get an m rated game.
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Re: Spanky (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» rated m
"You can't ban a game from the audience it was rated for"
This game wasn't rated for an audience:
"being refused a rating..."
"You can't ban a game from the audience it was rated for"
This game wasn't rated for an audience:
"being refused a rating..."
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Re: metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» @ somedude
If a kid watches Saw wil he be psycologically affected? No. If a kid plays Manhunt 2 will he be psycologically eaffected? In some cases yes. Studies have proven it...
If a kid watches Saw wil he be psycologically affected? No. If a kid plays Manhunt 2 will he be psycologically eaffected? In some cases yes. Studies have proven it...
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Re: somedude (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» ??
What is the difference in either. Both can give people ideas. I don't see the difference in seeing some one shoot someone in a game, and seeing superman jump off a building. Little kids can be easily influenced by both. They try to blame one side of gaming.
What is the difference in either. Both can give people ideas. I don't see the difference in seeing some one shoot someone in a game, and seeing superman jump off a building. Little kids can be easily influenced by both. They try to blame one side of gaming.
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Re: ~ (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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A kid isn't supposed to play manhunt 2. Nor supposed to watch a movie such as Saw.
A kid isn't supposed to play manhunt 2. Nor supposed to watch a movie such as Saw.
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Re: VSG (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» hmmn
why dont you mr JT just resign as a law maker, copying law of other countries just proves that you are LAZY.
why dont you mr JT just resign as a law maker, copying law of other countries just proves that you are LAZY.
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by .. (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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Leave it up to the parents. Don't blame a country because there are a few parents who shouldn't be having kids in the first place
Leave it up to the parents. Don't blame a country because there are a few parents who shouldn't be having kids in the first place
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Re: HINA ICHIGO (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» yo
SIGNED. I AGREE AT FULL FORCE.
SIGNED. I AGREE AT FULL FORCE.
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Re: yes (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» yes
absolutely 110% correct. this man will never stfu.
absolutely 110% correct. this man will never stfu.
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Re: erekiddo (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» sad but true
Jack Thomson is nothing but the pest
Jack Thomson is nothing but the pest
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Re: metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» Think about your comment...
Think about your comment. "Leave it up to the parents", well you can't erase the fact that more than half the parents in the world are irresponsible can you? The thing is that a game like Manhunt 2 can affect kids mentally and most violent games end up in the hands of kids. Take for example the GTA games, more than 95% of them are played by kids. Now I don't think GTA games can affect kids but a game like Manhunt 2 can because the plot of the game is to be ultraviolent in many sadistic ways that a kid of lets say 6-12 years old can be affected. Again you can't erase the fact most parents are irresponsible and will buy this game for their kids. The only way to avoid negative impacts this game can have on kids is to avoid that and the only way it can be avoided is by avoiding this game for everyone, in other words banning it. If you're so selfish and cruel that you prefer a game over many innocent lives then you just don't deserve to live...
Think about your comment. "Leave it up to the parents", well you can't erase the fact that more than half the parents in the world are irresponsible can you? The thing is that a game like Manhunt 2 can affect kids mentally and most violent games end up in the hands of kids. Take for example the GTA games, more than 95% of them are played by kids. Now I don't think GTA games can affect kids but a game like Manhunt 2 can because the plot of the game is to be ultraviolent in many sadistic ways that a kid of lets say 6-12 years old can be affected. Again you can't erase the fact most parents are irresponsible and will buy this game for their kids. The only way to avoid negative impacts this game can have on kids is to avoid that and the only way it can be avoided is by avoiding this game for everyone, in other words banning it. If you're so selfish and cruel that you prefer a game over many innocent lives then you just don't deserve to live...
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Re: *****A DAZ (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» THEY WILL GIVE ANY RETARD A LAW LICENSE
hit the nail on the head.you are a frikin genious MR UNREGISTERED.
hit the nail on the head.you are a frikin genious MR UNREGISTERED.
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Re: Stealth (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» lol wow to metalspector
You sir are a JT **** s.u.c.k.e.r.
So by your comments your saying no one should play games right.
Listen i have played doom and jurassic park for sega in 1992 , i was 6 does that mean i will start shooting people, do you even read or think of the BS your saying.
These kids choot and kill people cause they are Mentally ill and Deserve the DEE DEE DEE award.
I swear so play with him and barbies until you learn to STFU like this idiot should be doing.
Your not going to win anyone hearts on this, This is bad for gamers. Cause of the Stupid flawed Ratings that was implemented for Mortal Kombat this will one day banned all games. That means we will be stuck reading books called the JT way of life and Mostly cause problems.
They are taking away free speech and right to choose what we want.
Now Shut up and leave us alone.
You sir are a JT **** s.u.c.k.e.r.
So by your comments your saying no one should play games right.
Listen i have played doom and jurassic park for sega in 1992 , i was 6 does that mean i will start shooting people, do you even read or think of the BS your saying.
These kids choot and kill people cause they are Mentally ill and Deserve the DEE DEE DEE award.
I swear so play with him and barbies until you learn to STFU like this idiot should be doing.
Your not going to win anyone hearts on this, This is bad for gamers. Cause of the Stupid flawed Ratings that was implemented for Mortal Kombat this will one day banned all games. That means we will be stuck reading books called the JT way of life and Mostly cause problems.
They are taking away free speech and right to choose what we want.
Now Shut up and leave us alone.
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Re: metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» @ Stealth
First of all, it's weird people as violent and retarded in some comments as you are the people who defend the game (although maybe you aren't violent in real life, just a weird nerd who gets beat up at school and takes the furstration out on a sadistic game). Anyways if you would have read my WHOLE comment instead of the first sentence you wouldn't be making a fool of himself. First I don't say noone should play games, as in my comment I expressed that I don't think GTA games cpuld affect someone (and the ones you just mentioned like Doom and Jurasic park) cause they're fun and have a real plot. Now a game like Manhunt 2 focuses completely on being ultraviolent, sadictic and the purpose of the games seems to be to kill in the most mentally ill ways possible allowed by the game. This may not affect you and many people (or maybe it has affected you since you seem to not be able to respond against a comment in a positive way or smart way) but a few would be affected by this game and those people can end up commiting domestic violence or brutally murdering someone innocent, even your mother, father, sister, or you. Now I stand by the UK ratings which in fact are not as strict as Australia (which has banned over 20 games) but maked bans when necessary (only games ever banned in the UK are Carmaggedon and Manhunt 2). See this link which has a list of banned games in different countries and the reasons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_computer_and_video_games
First of all, it's weird people as violent and retarded in some comments as you are the people who defend the game (although maybe you aren't violent in real life, just a weird nerd who gets beat up at school and takes the furstration out on a sadistic game). Anyways if you would have read my WHOLE comment instead of the first sentence you wouldn't be making a fool of himself. First I don't say noone should play games, as in my comment I expressed that I don't think GTA games cpuld affect someone (and the ones you just mentioned like Doom and Jurasic park) cause they're fun and have a real plot. Now a game like Manhunt 2 focuses completely on being ultraviolent, sadictic and the purpose of the games seems to be to kill in the most mentally ill ways possible allowed by the game. This may not affect you and many people (or maybe it has affected you since you seem to not be able to respond against a comment in a positive way or smart way) but a few would be affected by this game and those people can end up commiting domestic violence or brutally murdering someone innocent, even your mother, father, sister, or you. Now I stand by the UK ratings which in fact are not as strict as Australia (which has banned over 20 games) but maked bans when necessary (only games ever banned in the UK are Carmaggedon and Manhunt 2). See this link which has a list of banned games in different countries and the reasons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_computer_and_video_games
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Re: Noin (Unregistered) - 2007-07-07 |
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» ^
Stfu *****
Stfu *****
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by Constantine (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» Look below
"He says that currently, there isn't a single law in the law books that prevent a ten-year-old child from purchasing a mature-rated game, and that other countries should do well to follow UK's system."
That ten-year-old must look hella old and have an ID to prove it because every game store I go to asks for an I.D. and without it you don't get the M rated game.
"He says that currently, there isn't a single law in the law books that prevent a ten-year-old child from purchasing a mature-rated game, and that other countries should do well to follow UK's system."
That ten-year-old must look hella old and have an ID to prove it because every game store I go to asks for an I.D. and without it you don't get the M rated game.
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Re: Noone important (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» Id Checks
That is true, you are carded if you look a certain age, BUT if someone wanted to sell a game to a minor, there is no LAW that says its illegal. Most companies have adopted the ESRB and create policies that can lead to termination.
That is true, you are carded if you look a certain age, BUT if someone wanted to sell a game to a minor, there is no LAW that says its illegal. Most companies have adopted the ESRB and create policies that can lead to termination.
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Re: Sniper-Wolf33 (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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Its the same in New Jersey. There have been times where my little brother has been told to leave a store for not being old enough to buy M-rated games.
Its the same in New Jersey. There have been times where my little brother has been told to leave a store for not being old enough to buy M-rated games.
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by sk (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» aa
assface
assface
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by Jabbar (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» Get a Life.
Somebody please tell this man to get a life.
Somebody please tell this man to get a life.
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by dicer999 (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» In the UK
Over here in the UK, I went to buy a 12 and they still asked for ID.
Also:
"He says that currently, there isn't a single law in the law books that prevent a ten-year-old child from purchasing a mature-rated game, and that other countries should do well to follow UK's system."
What? WHAT? I think he means there isn't a law on a 10 year old playing a M game.
Over here in the UK, I went to buy a 12 and they still asked for ID.
Also:
"He says that currently, there isn't a single law in the law books that prevent a ten-year-old child from purchasing a mature-rated game, and that other countries should do well to follow UK's system."
What? WHAT? I think he means there isn't a law on a 10 year old playing a M game.
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Re: Demon Slayer - 2007-07-06 |
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Actually, there isn't a law that prevents children from buying Mature rated games. Most stores choose to follow the ESRB, but it is in no way a requirement. I believe the same is true for R rated movies; there's no law, but most stores choose to follow the ratings.
Making a law preventing a form of media from being sold to certain people could be considered both discrimination and a violation of our Freedom of Speech.
Actually, there isn't a law that prevents children from buying Mature rated games. Most stores choose to follow the ESRB, but it is in no way a requirement. I believe the same is true for R rated movies; there's no law, but most stores choose to follow the ratings.
Making a law preventing a form of media from being sold to certain people could be considered both discrimination and a violation of our Freedom of Speech.
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by antijack (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» jack has to pick on the game industry
because he can attempt to sway public opinion to back his cause with horror stories. If he were to attempt a campaign against the real problem (apathetic parents) he would risk having no one behind him but a country full of pissed off parents with pitchforks, baying for HIS blood instead of Take Two's.
Grow some balls Jack and tackle the real issue you chicken *****!
because he can attempt to sway public opinion to back his cause with horror stories. If he were to attempt a campaign against the real problem (apathetic parents) he would risk having no one behind him but a country full of pissed off parents with pitchforks, baying for HIS blood instead of Take Two's.
Grow some balls Jack and tackle the real issue you chicken *****!
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by Neuromancer (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» This is totally retarded.
All of this BS because parents can't read the back of a game box. Completely retarded.
All of this BS because parents can't read the back of a game box. Completely retarded.
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by eaglebaize (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» Hey Mr. Thompson!!!
Guess what? I was playing violent games such as Mortal Kombat when I wasn't yet in grade school, and I'm currently an A Honor Roll student, involved in plenty of great extracurricular activities. My parents seem like some of the few that actually stride the extra length to make sure that my mind is capable of realizing that a videogame is just a videogame, and nothing more. It's not a guide for people on how to live out their lives, it's just an escape from the REAL world where you can do what you want without such harsh penalties, rather than bringing your troubles into real life. If I have some anger I want to get out of my mind, why can't I play a great game such as Resistance: Fall of Man and burn it off? Then, I can go back into the real world without blowing up over something that someone did or said to me. That's my two cents, thank you.
Guess what? I was playing violent games such as Mortal Kombat when I wasn't yet in grade school, and I'm currently an A Honor Roll student, involved in plenty of great extracurricular activities. My parents seem like some of the few that actually stride the extra length to make sure that my mind is capable of realizing that a videogame is just a videogame, and nothing more. It's not a guide for people on how to live out their lives, it's just an escape from the REAL world where you can do what you want without such harsh penalties, rather than bringing your troubles into real life. If I have some anger I want to get out of my mind, why can't I play a great game such as Resistance: Fall of Man and burn it off? Then, I can go back into the real world without blowing up over something that someone did or said to me. That's my two cents, thank you.
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Re: Same (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» Same
Same
Same
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Re: seargent007 - 2007-07-06 |
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» yep
same here :) how bout that jack?
same here :) how bout that jack?
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by Sooks (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» What an azz
If this guy likes the U.K. laws so much why doesn't he just move his career as a "lawyer" to the U.K. cause this guy will never stop his BS.
If this guy likes the U.K. laws so much why doesn't he just move his career as a "lawyer" to the U.K. cause this guy will never stop his BS.
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Re: hah (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» pfff
Even if he did move to the U.K he'll just get ass whipped by angry mobs and those stupid hooded gang wannabes..
Sorry, it just irritates me when people hang around your local store for no apparent reason lol.
Even if he did move to the U.K he'll just get ass whipped by angry mobs and those stupid hooded gang wannabes..
Sorry, it just irritates me when people hang around your local store for no apparent reason lol.
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by dsfa (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» afsd
This guy's kids probably play all the M rated games he's against but since hes a dumbass, he'll never know.
This guy's kids probably play all the M rated games he's against but since hes a dumbass, he'll never know.
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by mig19 (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» why jack why
Jack Thompson likes to flip flop his ideas on behalf to slam games, Where was Jack's UK standing when the ESRB changed San Andreas' rating from M to AO, never heard him complain about that change in rating. Plus Manhunt 2 was never released as an AO game it was pre-determined to be an AO game. Take-Two could have spent some more time on the game and edit it into an M rated game but they stuck by their guns and decided to not release the game altogether
Jack Thompson likes to flip flop his ideas on behalf to slam games, Where was Jack's UK standing when the ESRB changed San Andreas' rating from M to AO, never heard him complain about that change in rating. Plus Manhunt 2 was never released as an AO game it was pre-determined to be an AO game. Take-Two could have spent some more time on the game and edit it into an M rated game but they stuck by their guns and decided to not release the game altogether
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by Somedude (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» Thats BS
Thats total BULL*****!!! I'm couldn't get my hands on GTA Vice City without my mom there with me, and I'm 16. These liberals need a bullet in the eye. They need to trust us more. What is seeing violence gonna do. I don't have violence thoughts, I don't do violence, I see a lot of violence on the street I live on. there's more gore in my school than the video games I play. I thought the game bully was based on my school. This *****er talks about the parents should be the first line of defense. Did he even know that those same people he is talking about are the same people buying these games for their 10 year olds and *****ing about it's contents after the retailer told them about what was in it. The rating on a game is real easy for people to see. These same *****ers have already got me waiting for 5 more years to be able to drink now they want to take away the one thing that makes their *****ed up world seem like a somewhat ok place. These liberal *****s need to go ***** themselves.
But I'm not that angry, in 1 more year I'll be able to buy any rated game that I want. And if something goes otherwise and I still can't get the game I want. Then I'll import it in from my home country Jamaica where I can get it no matter how old I am. Unlike here I don't hear about kids there killing themselves or each other because they saw it in a game.
Death to all liberals. They already took dodgeball away from schools. What next?? :'(
Thats total BULL*****!!! I'm couldn't get my hands on GTA Vice City without my mom there with me, and I'm 16. These liberals need a bullet in the eye. They need to trust us more. What is seeing violence gonna do. I don't have violence thoughts, I don't do violence, I see a lot of violence on the street I live on. there's more gore in my school than the video games I play. I thought the game bully was based on my school. This *****er talks about the parents should be the first line of defense. Did he even know that those same people he is talking about are the same people buying these games for their 10 year olds and *****ing about it's contents after the retailer told them about what was in it. The rating on a game is real easy for people to see. These same *****ers have already got me waiting for 5 more years to be able to drink now they want to take away the one thing that makes their *****ed up world seem like a somewhat ok place. These liberal *****s need to go ***** themselves.
But I'm not that angry, in 1 more year I'll be able to buy any rated game that I want. And if something goes otherwise and I still can't get the game I want. Then I'll import it in from my home country Jamaica where I can get it no matter how old I am. Unlike here I don't hear about kids there killing themselves or each other because they saw it in a game.
Death to all liberals. They already took dodgeball away from schools. What next?? :'(
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by YEE! (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» 14 when I bought my first rated R game
When Half Life 2 came out I bought that and no one ask me for ID. I was only 14 when I got the game to.
When Half Life 2 came out I bought that and no one ask me for ID. I was only 14 when I got the game to.
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» and
did you go into a violent rage after playing it? did you kill anyone, did it have any influence that made you want to go commit serious crimes? I guess not cause your hear posting.
did you go into a violent rage after playing it? did you kill anyone, did it have any influence that made you want to go commit serious crimes? I guess not cause your hear posting.
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by .. (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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is it just me or does the picture of his eyes make him look like the G-man(if u dont know he is from Half-Life game)
is it just me or does the picture of his eyes make him look like the G-man(if u dont know he is from Half-Life game)
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by Vendetta (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» Re: Correction
Actually, Mr. Somedude, Jack Thompson is a Republican. Just wanted to clear that up. But, yes. You're right. That guy needs to get a life and pick on something REALLY important, like the war in Iraq or something else that's even bloodier.
Actually, Mr. Somedude, Jack Thompson is a Republican. Just wanted to clear that up. But, yes. You're right. That guy needs to get a life and pick on something REALLY important, like the war in Iraq or something else that's even bloodier.
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Re: Somedude (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» ok
It doesn't matter what party he's with. Both parties have people who are liberal and conservative. This guy is a liberal. Always trying to make things better by making them worse.
It doesn't matter what party he's with. Both parties have people who are liberal and conservative. This guy is a liberal. Always trying to make things better by making them worse.
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by seargent007 (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» jackyl
As much as I don't like the guy, what he's saying in this case is not crazy, for once.
As much as I don't like the guy, what he's saying in this case is not crazy, for once.
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by NdR (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» Jack Thompson is FUCT in the head!
the description is self-explanatory, this guy just tries to make headlines.
the description is self-explanatory, this guy just tries to make headlines.
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by nameless (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» just wondering...
why does JT hates violent games? did he try to swallow a violent game and nearly choked to death when he was young or what? O_o
why does JT hates violent games? did he try to swallow a violent game and nearly choked to death when he was young or what? O_o
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by r35 (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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» c.u.n.ty
Jack is a total n00b he basically is similar to uwe bowell.. nothing good will ever come of him..
Jack is a total n00b he basically is similar to uwe bowell.. nothing good will ever come of him..
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by .... (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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wat a *****....
wat a *****....
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by Quest (Unregistered) - 2007-07-06 |
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