Posted Oct 14, 2008 at 02:25PM by Gino D.
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The Entertainment Software Association might be down in the dumps due to all those video game developers and publishers leaving their trade organization. Well, not anymore. Recent documents being passed around Congress and the PotUS office [insert West Wing red tape montage here] have caused ESA to rejoice. Congress recently passed an anti-piracy bill which was then signed into law by the President. The new law is called "Prioritizing Resources and Organization for Intellectual Property Act of 2008" or, in short, PRO-IP. Here's what the new anti-piracy law brings to the table (political jargon ahead):
Back in ESA, CEO Michael Gallagher couldn't be any happier: Intellectual property is the backbone of the U.S. technology economy. The ESA applauds Congress and the Bush Administration for taking critical steps that support job growth and investment in the video game industry. [...] Piracy is an enormously profitable undertaking for criminal organizations. Disabling those organizations requires a coordinated and cross-border approach to enforcement, which this legislation clearly promotes. Ultimately, this law provides for greater responsibility and accountability within the White House and in the multiple agencies responsible for advancing IP protection. Related articles:
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by ISOHaven - 2008-10-14 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
This is just hilarious. So in the long run they'll be able to take down torrent sites in the US. Big friggen deal. It still doesn't mean squat to the end user and in the long run they'll never be able to bust newsgroups!
People are going to steal software. There is no stoping it.
This is just hilarious. So in the long run they'll be able to take down torrent sites in the US. Big friggen deal. It still doesn't mean squat to the end user and in the long run they'll never be able to bust newsgroups!
People are going to steal software. There is no stoping it.
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Re: logicbomb.de - 2008-10-14 |
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» ^^^^^
This +10000
Couldn't have said it better myself
This +10000
Couldn't have said it better myself
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Re: trigger - 2008-10-14 |
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» win!
i heard once that pirating activities funded terrorist groups. it sounds absurd and all... kinda like a childhood scare from your mom about the boogeyman... "don't sleep too late or the boogeyman will get you" "don't pirate games or else terrorists will have enough money to put a bomb in your bus"
totally absurd but... shrug... you never know. i don't entirely believe it, but i don't entirely dismiss it as totally impossible either.
anyways. i agree with you ISOhaven. (ironic as your username sounds heheehe!) try as they might, piracy is just everywhere. indeed, the world may or may not be a better place with or without piracy, but fact remains, there's no stopping it.
i heard once that pirating activities funded terrorist groups. it sounds absurd and all... kinda like a childhood scare from your mom about the boogeyman... "don't sleep too late or the boogeyman will get you" "don't pirate games or else terrorists will have enough money to put a bomb in your bus"
totally absurd but... shrug... you never know. i don't entirely believe it, but i don't entirely dismiss it as totally impossible either.
anyways. i agree with you ISOhaven. (ironic as your username sounds heheehe!) try as they might, piracy is just everywhere. indeed, the world may or may not be a better place with or without piracy, but fact remains, there's no stopping it.
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Re: xyal_zx - 2008-10-14 |
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» proip
"This person is tasked to report to the President if he sniffs out any intellectual property crimes - both domestic and international."
When has international laws stopped US enforcement agencies before? They haven't stopped them from doing many illegal things in other countries before. I don't see those stopping them now either.
"implement a long-range plan targeting international crime syndicates"
Looks like that is the entire idea though. So I hope your right. I guess warez groups are now crime syndicates of their own in the eyes of the PRO-IP act.
"This person is tasked to report to the President if he sniffs out any intellectual property crimes - both domestic and international."
When has international laws stopped US enforcement agencies before? They haven't stopped them from doing many illegal things in other countries before. I don't see those stopping them now either.
"implement a long-range plan targeting international crime syndicates"
Looks like that is the entire idea though. So I hope your right. I guess warez groups are now crime syndicates of their own in the eyes of the PRO-IP act.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-10-14 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"i heard once that pirating activities funded terrorist groups."
That's hilarious! To begin with, pirating is free. There are no funds. So there are no funds to give to terrorists. Unless someone takes into account, Google Ads on a torrent site?
Pirates equal such a small percentage of users I'm surprised they spend so much money on stopping it. Not to mention a LARGE percentage of the small pertentage of pirate would have never bought the game to begin with. That's not an excuse to pirate but it is fact when considering lost revenue.
I pirate games for two reasons:
1. To get around BS DRM that doesn't work.
2. Try before I buy. I play the entire game from the pirated copy. Then, if I felt the game was worth paying for, I buy it. Then, I sell it as brand new if it has a CD Key or sell it as used right back to gamestop. Yup, I've seen many a confused face at gamestop :)
"i heard once that pirating activities funded terrorist groups."
That's hilarious! To begin with, pirating is free. There are no funds. So there are no funds to give to terrorists. Unless someone takes into account, Google Ads on a torrent site?
Pirates equal such a small percentage of users I'm surprised they spend so much money on stopping it. Not to mention a LARGE percentage of the small pertentage of pirate would have never bought the game to begin with. That's not an excuse to pirate but it is fact when considering lost revenue.
I pirate games for two reasons:
1. To get around BS DRM that doesn't work.
2. Try before I buy. I play the entire game from the pirated copy. Then, if I felt the game was worth paying for, I buy it. Then, I sell it as brand new if it has a CD Key or sell it as used right back to gamestop. Yup, I've seen many a confused face at gamestop :)
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Re: trigger - 2008-10-14 |
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» there IS money in pirating
ISOhaven, you forget... pirating isn't just limited to downloading files and torrents etc etc... in other countries pirating is rampant in the form of selling fake/copied/pirated CDs, DVDs... movies, games, music, etc...
pirated discs in your country may be passe now because of digital means, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen elsewhere in the world. ;-) and in those places where disc piracy is rampant, there IS money and strong business to make. i should know. i live in a third world country. people buy pirated discs like crazy. also... some enterprising individuals have actually made it a business to "sell" games they've downloaded free online.
"got a psp? here, let's downgrade it. cfw and all that. pay up. i'll even load games into your memstick. here's a list. choose whichever you want, then we can hook your unit to the pc and load it in." some people get to sell a psp game for about a dollar or two. doesn't seem like a lot, but i tell you... there IS money in piracy.
then maybe you're asking... "well that's stupid, why don't the people know they're being ripped off?"
well. it's simple, really. the person "buys" into piracy because:
a) they don't know better. they're ignorant and don't know how to download and all that. they don't know that these guys selling psp games etc etc actually got them for free online. or....
b) they might not have the resources (for example, no internet connection at home) to download those games. or....
c) they don't have the time to download those games or movies. so... they're willing to spend a buck or two to purchase a disc or to load a game on a memstick. it's hassle-free cuz you don't have to wait for a download to finish. just pop in, purchase, pop out, and you're done.
and that my friend is piracy here in my country. the money that people spend to buy pirated stuff... is supposedly being funded to terrorist groups. ;-)
ISOhaven, you forget... pirating isn't just limited to downloading files and torrents etc etc... in other countries pirating is rampant in the form of selling fake/copied/pirated CDs, DVDs... movies, games, music, etc...
pirated discs in your country may be passe now because of digital means, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen elsewhere in the world. ;-) and in those places where disc piracy is rampant, there IS money and strong business to make. i should know. i live in a third world country. people buy pirated discs like crazy. also... some enterprising individuals have actually made it a business to "sell" games they've downloaded free online.
"got a psp? here, let's downgrade it. cfw and all that. pay up. i'll even load games into your memstick. here's a list. choose whichever you want, then we can hook your unit to the pc and load it in." some people get to sell a psp game for about a dollar or two. doesn't seem like a lot, but i tell you... there IS money in piracy.
then maybe you're asking... "well that's stupid, why don't the people know they're being ripped off?"
well. it's simple, really. the person "buys" into piracy because:
a) they don't know better. they're ignorant and don't know how to download and all that. they don't know that these guys selling psp games etc etc actually got them for free online. or....
b) they might not have the resources (for example, no internet connection at home) to download those games. or....
c) they don't have the time to download those games or movies. so... they're willing to spend a buck or two to purchase a disc or to load a game on a memstick. it's hassle-free cuz you don't have to wait for a download to finish. just pop in, purchase, pop out, and you're done.
and that my friend is piracy here in my country. the money that people spend to buy pirated stuff... is supposedly being funded to terrorist groups. ;-)
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2008-10-14 |
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» Dumbest thing I ever heard!
"2. Try before I buy. I play the entire game from the pirated copy. Then, if I felt the game was worth paying for, I buy it. Then, I sell it as brand new if it has a CD Key or sell it as used right back to gamestop. Yup, I've seen many a confused face at gamestop :)"
That's because you're so stupid! By selling the game back to gamestop for the tiny fraction of its new price, you're putting a used game on the shelf for somebody else to buy used. Which, as you apparently don't know, prevents somebody from buying a new copy. The game's makers only make money on new sales.
What a Wii-tard!
"2. Try before I buy. I play the entire game from the pirated copy. Then, if I felt the game was worth paying for, I buy it. Then, I sell it as brand new if it has a CD Key or sell it as used right back to gamestop. Yup, I've seen many a confused face at gamestop :)"
That's because you're so stupid! By selling the game back to gamestop for the tiny fraction of its new price, you're putting a used game on the shelf for somebody else to buy used. Which, as you apparently don't know, prevents somebody from buying a new copy. The game's makers only make money on new sales.
What a Wii-tard!
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Re: Aces In The Palm - 2008-10-14 |
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» @mister common sense
if thats the dumbest thing you've ever heard, you havent been reading QJ posts very long
:)
if thats the dumbest thing you've ever heard, you havent been reading QJ posts very long
:)
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Re: Matt-N - 2008-10-15 |
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» FTW!?!?!?!?!
@Mister Common Sense
ISOHaven is only compensating for his own use, not everyone else's. That said, it is a bit too honest (no offense ISOH) lol!
@Mister Common Sense
ISOHaven is only compensating for his own use, not everyone else's. That said, it is a bit too honest (no offense ISOH) lol!
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Re: Xastabus - 2008-10-15 |
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For once I have to agree with MCS.
I'll download ISOs on occasion, or rip them from my brother's PSP games, but only for trial purpose. 1 or 2 hours of play. If I don't like the game I delete it. If I like the game, I purchase it when I can afford to, but I don't continue to play the ISO until after I've purchased, a new copy if possible, and I keep the media.
I find it a bit unethical to trial a game then buy it and sell it back to Gamestop while continuing to play on the ISO. The only thing you achieve by doing that is giving Gamestop fatter pockets. If you don't own the media, you shouldn't play the game.
I'm not saying the used games market doesn't serve a purpose, but in doing so it causes a problem. If you like the game and still want to play it, keep the media and don't contribute to the problem.
For once I have to agree with MCS.
I'll download ISOs on occasion, or rip them from my brother's PSP games, but only for trial purpose. 1 or 2 hours of play. If I don't like the game I delete it. If I like the game, I purchase it when I can afford to, but I don't continue to play the ISO until after I've purchased, a new copy if possible, and I keep the media.
I find it a bit unethical to trial a game then buy it and sell it back to Gamestop while continuing to play on the ISO. The only thing you achieve by doing that is giving Gamestop fatter pockets. If you don't own the media, you shouldn't play the game.
I'm not saying the used games market doesn't serve a purpose, but in doing so it causes a problem. If you like the game and still want to play it, keep the media and don't contribute to the problem.
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Re: majorbb100 - 2008-10-15 |
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» iso's
i downloaded my first iso because i wanted tony hawks project 8 and none of the stores around me carried it. so i downloaded the iso. then i was like that was easy and i downloaded another iso. then another, and another lol. and now i download them all the time. I've downloaded maybe 20 isos in all. its so easy to do and its very convenient. and why would you download an iso and i only play it for an hour for trial. you might as well keep it lol.
i downloaded my first iso because i wanted tony hawks project 8 and none of the stores around me carried it. so i downloaded the iso. then i was like that was easy and i downloaded another iso. then another, and another lol. and now i download them all the time. I've downloaded maybe 20 isos in all. its so easy to do and its very convenient. and why would you download an iso and i only play it for an hour for trial. you might as well keep it lol.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-10-15 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
@tigger - True, countries like Hong Kong are rappent with pirated CDs floating around. But then again, look at the individuals selling. The terrorists are AGAINST them as well. So that doesn't quit fit. I doubt there are many New Yorkers selling movie DVDs on the streets of New York in order to fund another plane that will most likely kill them. I was targeting online "hidden" identities that are getting money from people. The countless sites that are selling Vista Ultimate for $50 are really only taking your CC# and going to town with it.
@Mister Common Dounche Bag - As usual you are an idiot!
1. By my buying the game I am SUPPORTING the author.
2. When someone buys the used game, they were going to buy a USED game anyway. You act as if my used copy is the ONLY one on the shelf and because they saw it, they changed their mind to buy IT instead of a NEW copy. That's just plan ignorance.
@Xastabus - I don't see your point. If I sold the game on eBay then I would be making eBay richer and putting less money in my pocket. That sounds like dumb business sense to me. The awesome thing about Gamestop is I can skip having to relist an item OVER AND OVER again, getting ripped off by people who don't pay, shipping charges, listing fees, having to buy shipping materials....the list goes on and on. The only difference here is instead of keeping the game for a few weeks I'm selling it back right away.
So unless someone has a problem with selling to Gamestop in general, this is no different.
@tigger - True, countries like Hong Kong are rappent with pirated CDs floating around. But then again, look at the individuals selling. The terrorists are AGAINST them as well. So that doesn't quit fit. I doubt there are many New Yorkers selling movie DVDs on the streets of New York in order to fund another plane that will most likely kill them. I was targeting online "hidden" identities that are getting money from people. The countless sites that are selling Vista Ultimate for $50 are really only taking your CC# and going to town with it.
@Mister Common Dounche Bag - As usual you are an idiot!
1. By my buying the game I am SUPPORTING the author.
2. When someone buys the used game, they were going to buy a USED game anyway. You act as if my used copy is the ONLY one on the shelf and because they saw it, they changed their mind to buy IT instead of a NEW copy. That's just plan ignorance.
@Xastabus - I don't see your point. If I sold the game on eBay then I would be making eBay richer and putting less money in my pocket. That sounds like dumb business sense to me. The awesome thing about Gamestop is I can skip having to relist an item OVER AND OVER again, getting ripped off by people who don't pay, shipping charges, listing fees, having to buy shipping materials....the list goes on and on. The only difference here is instead of keeping the game for a few weeks I'm selling it back right away.
So unless someone has a problem with selling to Gamestop in general, this is no different.
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Re: Binary - 2008-10-15 |
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» I second that
@Mister Common Dounche Bag - As usual you are an idiot!
@Mister Common Dounche Bag - As usual you are an idiot!
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Re: Galduke - 2008-10-15 |
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» lol backwards justification
@ISOHaven
Maybe when we were children who left cartridges out and got fingerprints all over disks we didn't care about the condition of a used game, but most people I know give a rats a-s about whether or not their disk looks like an Etch A Sketch. If given a choice between a $25 game used as a door stop and a $50 game new, I'd go new. If the $25 game was still in new condition, well... Your argument of people buying used anyways falls short in these cases.
What Xastabus was trying to say was that you don't buy a movie, burn it, and sell it used, it's still stealing (though very inefficient). So long as you delete the iso from your computer and PSP after selling the game (even games with good replay value like MHF or MGS:PO), your in the clear. If you continue playing an iso after selling the game (don't recall you ever saying this) then the only thing you do is produce used games, and well, I already said it all above. You just give the developer 1 sale and take away another.
The argument that illegal downloads fund terrorist only applies to morons paying for something online (Vista example already stated) and P2P programs like Limewire or torrents, though the latter is a bit of a stretch.
Basically some guy in the US/Europe/wherever uploads an iso/movie/whatever for his buddy (and 1000 other strangers) to download. 20 people downloading it are in Afghanistan, 3 of them will sell pirated copies of the game they downloaded, and 1 of them will donate some proceeds to a terrorist group. So well done Joe Uploader, you just killed 3 and wounded 15 (maybe... possibly... potentially).
@ISOHaven
Maybe when we were children who left cartridges out and got fingerprints all over disks we didn't care about the condition of a used game, but most people I know give a rats a-s about whether or not their disk looks like an Etch A Sketch. If given a choice between a $25 game used as a door stop and a $50 game new, I'd go new. If the $25 game was still in new condition, well... Your argument of people buying used anyways falls short in these cases.
What Xastabus was trying to say was that you don't buy a movie, burn it, and sell it used, it's still stealing (though very inefficient). So long as you delete the iso from your computer and PSP after selling the game (even games with good replay value like MHF or MGS:PO), your in the clear. If you continue playing an iso after selling the game (don't recall you ever saying this) then the only thing you do is produce used games, and well, I already said it all above. You just give the developer 1 sale and take away another.
The argument that illegal downloads fund terrorist only applies to morons paying for something online (Vista example already stated) and P2P programs like Limewire or torrents, though the latter is a bit of a stretch.
Basically some guy in the US/Europe/wherever uploads an iso/movie/whatever for his buddy (and 1000 other strangers) to download. 20 people downloading it are in Afghanistan, 3 of them will sell pirated copies of the game they downloaded, and 1 of them will donate some proceeds to a terrorist group. So well done Joe Uploader, you just killed 3 and wounded 15 (maybe... possibly... potentially).
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-10-15 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
@Galduke - WTF did any of that have to do with my post? Nothing I said had ANYTHING to do with the condition of a game disc.
Seriously, WTF went through your mind when you read my post?
"you don't buy a movie, burn it, and sell it used, it's still stealing"
No shlT sherlock! I'm not buying a game, burning it (keeping the copy) then selling the original used.
How the hell do you read A then walk away with B. The only other person on this site that has EVER done that is Mr. Common Douche Bag. Are you for real?
Since some of you can't understand plan English I guess I'll try again and this time I'll even fill in the parts that you should have picked up on in the first place.
For games I'm unsure about, I will download them. I will play them. If the game sucks I obviously stop playing it. If the game is good I play it through then go buy it then sell it. It's the EXACT same as playing a demo only I'm playing the actual game and don't have to start OVER AGAIN with the full version. Also, if I buy a game and find it's riddled with DRM, I put the original aside and go download a DRM free version.
Whomever - If you don't get it after that then you're an idiot. It has nothing to do with disc quality or keeping a COPY of the game. I only play games once anyway. I've never played through a game twice.
@Galduke - WTF did any of that have to do with my post? Nothing I said had ANYTHING to do with the condition of a game disc.
Seriously, WTF went through your mind when you read my post?
"you don't buy a movie, burn it, and sell it used, it's still stealing"
No shlT sherlock! I'm not buying a game, burning it (keeping the copy) then selling the original used.
How the hell do you read A then walk away with B. The only other person on this site that has EVER done that is Mr. Common Douche Bag. Are you for real?
Since some of you can't understand plan English I guess I'll try again and this time I'll even fill in the parts that you should have picked up on in the first place.
For games I'm unsure about, I will download them. I will play them. If the game sucks I obviously stop playing it. If the game is good I play it through then go buy it then sell it. It's the EXACT same as playing a demo only I'm playing the actual game and don't have to start OVER AGAIN with the full version. Also, if I buy a game and find it's riddled with DRM, I put the original aside and go download a DRM free version.
Whomever - If you don't get it after that then you're an idiot. It has nothing to do with disc quality or keeping a COPY of the game. I only play games once anyway. I've never played through a game twice.
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by darkwing009 - 2008-10-14 |
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» HAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd like to see them try.LOL!!!!!!!!!!
I'd like to see them try.LOL!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Matt-N - 2008-10-15 |
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You are seeing them 'try' lol!!!
You are seeing them 'try' lol!!!
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by whaleshark - 2008-10-14 |
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» LOL
Guys. Most of these torrent sites ARENT BASED IN THE US.
Read some of the pirate bay letters. They are hilarious.
This law wont change anything. except maybe BOOST piracy because of the demand for more.
Guys. Most of these torrent sites ARENT BASED IN THE US.
Read some of the pirate bay letters. They are hilarious.
This law wont change anything. except maybe BOOST piracy because of the demand for more.
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by Neko Kyu - 2008-10-14 |
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» ...
huh.
huh.
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by Ron Overdrive - 2008-10-14 |
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» waste of resources
There's just one problem, no one really profits (ie financial gain) from piracy these days. Everyone downloads stuff they want without paying for it. Bootlegging is pretty much a dead end these days. This is the trump card for industries that fail to adapt with the times (ie RIAA, MPAA, ESA, etc), kinda like the whole bail out plan for the banks who screwed up royally with how they handled their money. If they don't want people pirating stuff they should make it worth their money. With a world wide recession and a local depression looming overhead piracy is going to increase and they know it so they want to get help suing people for being too broke to download a crappy album, movie, or video game.
There's just one problem, no one really profits (ie financial gain) from piracy these days. Everyone downloads stuff they want without paying for it. Bootlegging is pretty much a dead end these days. This is the trump card for industries that fail to adapt with the times (ie RIAA, MPAA, ESA, etc), kinda like the whole bail out plan for the banks who screwed up royally with how they handled their money. If they don't want people pirating stuff they should make it worth their money. With a world wide recession and a local depression looming overhead piracy is going to increase and they know it so they want to get help suing people for being too broke to download a crappy album, movie, or video game.
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Re: shabghai360 - 2008-10-15 |
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» I tend to agree
60 dollars a game is actually a hell of a lot of money for most people.
This does not justify piracy but it does not help avert it either.
Many people I know in Europe actually have 2 xboxes as this is the easist and most economical way of enjoying games. Those games that are downloaded and then played on a modded box come for free. Those games that are truly great and people want to play online purchase the real thing.
60 dollars a game is actually a hell of a lot of money for most people.
This does not justify piracy but it does not help avert it either.
Many people I know in Europe actually have 2 xboxes as this is the easist and most economical way of enjoying games. Those games that are downloaded and then played on a modded box come for free. Those games that are truly great and people want to play online purchase the real thing.
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by 3vi1 - 2008-10-14 |
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» Imaginary Property
>> "Intellectual property is the backbone of the U.S. technology economy. "
It's amazing that they don't recognize: THAT'S A PROBLEM. You don't want your economic backbone to be something that's easily copied, reverse-engineered, and IMAGINARY.
Technology *services* and *products* should be the backbone of our economy. The next thing you know, it will be illegal to teach tech skills to your kids without paying "Intellectual property" royalties to the business where you learned them.
>> "Intellectual property is the backbone of the U.S. technology economy. "
It's amazing that they don't recognize: THAT'S A PROBLEM. You don't want your economic backbone to be something that's easily copied, reverse-engineered, and IMAGINARY.
Technology *services* and *products* should be the backbone of our economy. The next thing you know, it will be illegal to teach tech skills to your kids without paying "Intellectual property" royalties to the business where you learned them.
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Re: Xastabus - 2008-10-15 |
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A frightening thought indeed...
Oh wait, we already do that. It's called "college" and "technical certification."
A frightening thought indeed...
Oh wait, we already do that. It's called "college" and "technical certification."
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by mike_jmg - 2008-10-14 |
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» Everytime you download an iso God kills a patapon!
Hell yeah, KILL EM ALL!!!, KILL ALL PATAPONS!!!, I hate that *****ty game with every cell of my body.
Thanks for the positive reinforcement
Hell yeah, KILL EM ALL!!!, KILL ALL PATAPONS!!!, I hate that *****ty game with every cell of my body.
Thanks for the positive reinforcement
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by MARTINSTATIC - 2008-10-15 |
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» Heh
Heh for me, ISO's and whatnot is a situation by situation by situation basis; right now, I might download a game or app off a torrent site, because I want the app and because I can get it here and now without losing anything apart from a bit of time.
However, if I'm out at a shop and see something I like, I'll buy it if I can.
For me, it depends on the situation really.
Doesn't really matter to me really, watching people trying to basically take on the internet more or less; ain't gonna happen. Hah!
Heh for me, ISO's and whatnot is a situation by situation by situation basis; right now, I might download a game or app off a torrent site, because I want the app and because I can get it here and now without losing anything apart from a bit of time.
However, if I'm out at a shop and see something I like, I'll buy it if I can.
For me, it depends on the situation really.
Doesn't really matter to me really, watching people trying to basically take on the internet more or less; ain't gonna happen. Hah!
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by gr8tlegend - 2008-10-15 |
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» I'm with that guy up there
I barely have any money to spend on games piracy isn't the best thing but it allows us 2 try it b 4 we buy it . there are alot of *****y ass games I'm glad I didn't buy ! felt like the dev' s spent ten minutes developing the game. and between tuition, bills , gas and other ***** I don't have money 2 waste on *****y games or movies. especially when consoles are selling games at 60, 70, and even 190 , have they seen the stock market lately?
I barely have any money to spend on games piracy isn't the best thing but it allows us 2 try it b 4 we buy it . there are alot of *****y ass games I'm glad I didn't buy ! felt like the dev' s spent ten minutes developing the game. and between tuition, bills , gas and other ***** I don't have money 2 waste on *****y games or movies. especially when consoles are selling games at 60, 70, and even 190 , have they seen the stock market lately?
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by Binary - 2008-10-15 |
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» alright ***** this
whos going to Canada with me?
whos going to Canada with me?
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-10-16 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
Canada is slowing stepping on board with the US. That wont do you any good.
Canada is slowing stepping on board with the US. That wont do you any good.
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2008-10-16 |
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» .
What kind of loser would visit you in Canada?
What kind of loser would visit you in Canada?
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-10-16 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
Well, seeing as how you're a loser, why don't you tells us all about yourself and answer your own question.
Well, seeing as how you're a loser, why don't you tells us all about yourself and answer your own question.
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2008-10-17 |
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» .
When will you be appearing on def comedy jam?
Nuh uh, you're a loser!
See! I'm just as funny as your pathetic comedy!
When will you be appearing on def comedy jam?
Nuh uh, you're a loser!
See! I'm just as funny as your pathetic comedy!
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-10-18 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
...RIGHT! Because you were so damn funny to begin with right?
Oh, I forgot. ONLY YOU are allowed to run around and call people losers.
What was I thinking!?!?!?!?!
...RIGHT! Because you were so damn funny to begin with right?
Oh, I forgot. ONLY YOU are allowed to run around and call people losers.
What was I thinking!?!?!?!?!
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2008-10-18 |
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» sad thing is
You actually thing you're funny.
That's just partially why you are so pathetic. No joke or comedy here, just cold hard facts.
You actually thing you're funny.
That's just partially why you are so pathetic. No joke or comedy here, just cold hard facts.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-10-18 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
So, your response to my last comment is to say the exact same thing I said about you? Only you screwed up AS USUAL.
"You actually thing"
Could you be any more lame?
So, your response to my last comment is to say the exact same thing I said about you? Only you screwed up AS USUAL.
"You actually thing"
Could you be any more lame?
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by blackthorn - 2008-10-15 |
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» Well
If the games companies would produce good quality games instead of utter ***** they try and ram down our throats, I'd say they'd have much more success.
There's a whole bunch of games for the NES, SNES and Megadrive (defunct systems) that still command a high price for original copies (even though you can download them all very easily now) simply because they're so *****ing good.
The moment games companies by and large got lazy and produced crap to cash in on the market rather than invest in QUALITY is the moment they lost the pirate war I think.
Because when you burn your customers over and over again, they lose confidence in your product. People will be more willing to cross the moral line on pirating because they don't trust you're going to give them decent value for their gaming dollar and whilst you can debate morale virtue until the cows come home, at the end of the day it's a damn business transaction and you cannot blame the screwed over customer for being cynical and jaded.
Just be a little more realistic about it. The days of using people's morals against them (ala "don't copy that floppy!") are long over.
If the games companies would produce good quality games instead of utter ***** they try and ram down our throats, I'd say they'd have much more success.
There's a whole bunch of games for the NES, SNES and Megadrive (defunct systems) that still command a high price for original copies (even though you can download them all very easily now) simply because they're so *****ing good.
The moment games companies by and large got lazy and produced crap to cash in on the market rather than invest in QUALITY is the moment they lost the pirate war I think.
Because when you burn your customers over and over again, they lose confidence in your product. People will be more willing to cross the moral line on pirating because they don't trust you're going to give them decent value for their gaming dollar and whilst you can debate morale virtue until the cows come home, at the end of the day it's a damn business transaction and you cannot blame the screwed over customer for being cynical and jaded.
Just be a little more realistic about it. The days of using people's morals against them (ala "don't copy that floppy!") are long over.
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by Mister Common Sense - 2008-10-16 |
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» here's what's going on
One again the government blows our tax money and increases the defecit further just to protect the profits of corporations that pay the executives millions and give the average joe blow worker a $10 an hour job without any security.
I just got a notice from my ISP saying I downloaded IP protected content, full of legal warnings and whatnot.
Yes, they can spy on you now apparently. Shouldn't that be illegal? Not in the country of the free. This country is only free to the corporations with lobbyists so they can do whatever, at taxpayer expense.
I will continue downloading IP protected content, because this is absolute BS!
One again the government blows our tax money and increases the defecit further just to protect the profits of corporations that pay the executives millions and give the average joe blow worker a $10 an hour job without any security.
I just got a notice from my ISP saying I downloaded IP protected content, full of legal warnings and whatnot.
Yes, they can spy on you now apparently. Shouldn't that be illegal? Not in the country of the free. This country is only free to the corporations with lobbyists so they can do whatever, at taxpayer expense.
I will continue downloading IP protected content, because this is absolute BS!
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-10-16 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"here's what's going on"
The day you know what is going on is the day Earth stops spinning.
"One again the government blows our tax money"
WTF? Care to try that again? If you meant ONCE again then you're an idiot. The government has always mismanaged money. There's no "AGAIN" about it.
$10 an hour? That's pretty good! Get a roommate and you can live just about anywhere.
"Yes, they can spy on you now apparently. Shouldn't that be illegal?"
Nope! If you write all your private information on the face of an envelope is it illegal for a USPS employee to read it? NOPE! But it's illegal for them to OPEN your envelope. An ISP can legally VIEW any text you send their way. If you encrypt your data and they DECRYPT IT, that would be illegal. But I wouldn't expect you to know of such things.
"I will continue downloading IP protected content, because this is absolute BS!"
Yup, we all know you're a douche bag.
"here's what's going on"
The day you know what is going on is the day Earth stops spinning.
"One again the government blows our tax money"
WTF? Care to try that again? If you meant ONCE again then you're an idiot. The government has always mismanaged money. There's no "AGAIN" about it.
$10 an hour? That's pretty good! Get a roommate and you can live just about anywhere.
"Yes, they can spy on you now apparently. Shouldn't that be illegal?"
Nope! If you write all your private information on the face of an envelope is it illegal for a USPS employee to read it? NOPE! But it's illegal for them to OPEN your envelope. An ISP can legally VIEW any text you send their way. If you encrypt your data and they DECRYPT IT, that would be illegal. But I wouldn't expect you to know of such things.
"I will continue downloading IP protected content, because this is absolute BS!"
Yup, we all know you're a douche bag.
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by SpongeFreak52 - 2008-10-17 |
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» *COUGH*
*cah* MegaUpload *cough cough*
Uhm...piracy is bad!
*cah* MegaUpload *cough cough*
Uhm...piracy is bad!
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