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Despite all this, it's still not enough. The economics of the proprietary models seem to point toward spending more money and receiving fewer returns with each generation, with no clear winner.
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by lmxloco - 2007-10-23 |
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» Great...
If this happens, only the consumer has the chance of losing. No competition usually means higher prices and no choices.
Having the PS3 and 360 compete like they are means that the 360 gets better and cheaper, the PS3 gets newer, cheaper sku's that the public likes more.
Just think, if the PS3 didn't have to go up against a cheaper machine, would the price drops have happened as fast? If the 360 didn't have to worry about the PS3 stealing the market, would they be so worried about fixing the hardware mistakes and offering extended warranty's?
One, unified console is possibly the worst idea I've ever heard of. Competition keeps everyone more honest and helps the community grow. One console means I go back to PC gaming.
If this happens, only the consumer has the chance of losing. No competition usually means higher prices and no choices.
Having the PS3 and 360 compete like they are means that the 360 gets better and cheaper, the PS3 gets newer, cheaper sku's that the public likes more.
Just think, if the PS3 didn't have to go up against a cheaper machine, would the price drops have happened as fast? If the 360 didn't have to worry about the PS3 stealing the market, would they be so worried about fixing the hardware mistakes and offering extended warranty's?
One, unified console is possibly the worst idea I've ever heard of. Competition keeps everyone more honest and helps the community grow. One console means I go back to PC gaming.
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Re: GriHingo - 2007-10-24 |
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» It is!
One console doesn't have to mean one manufacturer.
The PC market is a healthy example of "One that rule them all" (read Windows)
One console doesn't have to mean one manufacturer.
The PC market is a healthy example of "One that rule them all" (read Windows)
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Re: lmxloco - 2007-10-24 |
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I never said anything about "one manufacturer."
Notice the words "one, unified console." When I said that I assumed that there would be multiple corporations working together on a single console. Even so, the same idea's apply.
I never said anything about "one manufacturer."
Notice the words "one, unified console." When I said that I assumed that there would be multiple corporations working together on a single console. Even so, the same idea's apply.
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by ~~ - 2007-10-23 |
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» ..
If there is ever going to be a single game console, it won't take too long for some company to create their own console because they feel they can create a better gaming experience than the current console offers.
If there is ever going to be a single game console, it won't take too long for some company to create their own console because they feel they can create a better gaming experience than the current console offers.
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Re: Shatterdome - 2007-10-23 |
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» Partly true...
as any company has this freedom...but they would have no third party support, and would have a harder time then Sony at getting games first :P
They would have to make their own games and do everything themselves....really the only company that could do this is nintendo...
Maybe Nintendo saw into the future and realised that the hardcore gaming would eventually merge into one console....so they made wii....
as any company has this freedom...but they would have no third party support, and would have a harder time then Sony at getting games first :P
They would have to make their own games and do everything themselves....really the only company that could do this is nintendo...
Maybe Nintendo saw into the future and realised that the hardcore gaming would eventually merge into one console....so they made wii....
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by rollypoly - 2007-10-23 |
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» again
one system DOES NOT mean one manufacturer.
the competition will still be there, with different variations on the same standard JUST LIKE DVD.
do dvd players suffer from lack of competition? last i checked there were many more dvd player manufacturers than video game console manufacturers.
if you want real competition don't close off the hardware design. let it be an open (meaning usable not alterable) standard so others who don't want to/can't spend hundreds of millions of dollars and years in R&D to make one can still compete.
just like dvd players you'd have high and low end systems. feature packed or basic functionality. your choice of systems would actually increase with this scenario.
the workload on devs would shrink considerably, costs to make a game would also drop.
honestly think about it... and someone post some of these downsides to consumers, i'm having a hard time thinking of any real significant ones...
and to the guy who said he would be a pc gamer... so one system bad for consoles, but good for computer gaming? even with 3 different computers each with a different OS, they are all the same standard system. however with a standard console you wouldn't have to deal with the system not being able to run the game very well...
one system DOES NOT mean one manufacturer.
the competition will still be there, with different variations on the same standard JUST LIKE DVD.
do dvd players suffer from lack of competition? last i checked there were many more dvd player manufacturers than video game console manufacturers.
if you want real competition don't close off the hardware design. let it be an open (meaning usable not alterable) standard so others who don't want to/can't spend hundreds of millions of dollars and years in R&D to make one can still compete.
just like dvd players you'd have high and low end systems. feature packed or basic functionality. your choice of systems would actually increase with this scenario.
the workload on devs would shrink considerably, costs to make a game would also drop.
honestly think about it... and someone post some of these downsides to consumers, i'm having a hard time thinking of any real significant ones...
and to the guy who said he would be a pc gamer... so one system bad for consoles, but good for computer gaming? even with 3 different computers each with a different OS, they are all the same standard system. however with a standard console you wouldn't have to deal with the system not being able to run the game very well...
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Re: Shatterdome - 2007-10-23 |
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» I agree...
It's not a bad idea at all.
Like you said, only the core elements, to run games needs to be the same. However different companies can customize their product however they want....
Although all model's would need some sort of internet connectivity....maybe one manufacturer puts in wi-fi, the other is wired.
Also User interfaces could change, online services could change, number of USB, video out, video in, recording capabilities....the list goes on....
So there could be very different models, and Sony, MS and nintendo could all still be in the game....tailoring their systems to their market...but making sure that all the basics are there (really they would only have the same CPU, GPU, RAM, and min HDD size....anything else could change or be added)
It is a good idea, and like he said inevitable....really, there is going to be a "media cube" in all our homes soon.....or if fibre optic internet gets widespread enough, we may not even need a box....just a little thing that hooks up to the TV and internet and all the processing is done on the server side and sent to our TV/Headset or whatever we are using.....
It's not a bad idea at all.
Like you said, only the core elements, to run games needs to be the same. However different companies can customize their product however they want....
Although all model's would need some sort of internet connectivity....maybe one manufacturer puts in wi-fi, the other is wired.
Also User interfaces could change, online services could change, number of USB, video out, video in, recording capabilities....the list goes on....
So there could be very different models, and Sony, MS and nintendo could all still be in the game....tailoring their systems to their market...but making sure that all the basics are there (really they would only have the same CPU, GPU, RAM, and min HDD size....anything else could change or be added)
It is a good idea, and like he said inevitable....really, there is going to be a "media cube" in all our homes soon.....or if fibre optic internet gets widespread enough, we may not even need a box....just a little thing that hooks up to the TV and internet and all the processing is done on the server side and sent to our TV/Headset or whatever we are using.....
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Re: lmxloco - 2007-10-24 |
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» .
You're thinking of it the wrong way. DVD is a format, not a manufacturer. I'm sure that, if there is one console in the future, it will be a collaborative effort. However, there will be ONE name on the front of every console, equatable to if you ONLY saw Panasonic brand DVD players (even if Panasonic teamed up with Sony, Toshiba, or whoever).
I'm sorry, but I can't imagine having one group over one console would be a good idea.
Whereas costs to make a game might drop significantly, who's to say that, now that they only have to worry about one system, the prices go up to $100/game. After all, with no competition between consoles, we'd pay it.
You really have to look at the business side of this. I can certainly agree that a single console would be good for many areas, but you can't say, I can't say, NO ONE can say that just because there is one console, that the companies behind that one console will remain true to the consumer.
With PC gaming, you still have competition behind the Motherboards, RAM, Video Cards, etc... So even if I have to upgrade my PC with every new game, I know what I'm getting. One console? You have to have that console, so when it breaks, what keeps the Support Center honest? Nothing. They don't have to fix it in a timely matter, because it's not like you have another choice. You can go buy another one, but that just puts MORE money in their pocket.
Bottom line, unless whatever companies join to make this single console are completely honest, then the consumer WILL end up getting screwed. Sony's track record with honesty? Not so good (remember the hidden DRM with Sony CD's?) Microsoft? Yeah, a perfect example of what a monopoly can do, until MAC started making a comeback.
If these two companies have anything to do with it, rest assured that the consumer will NOT be on the winning end. The developers might, but NOT us.
You're thinking of it the wrong way. DVD is a format, not a manufacturer. I'm sure that, if there is one console in the future, it will be a collaborative effort. However, there will be ONE name on the front of every console, equatable to if you ONLY saw Panasonic brand DVD players (even if Panasonic teamed up with Sony, Toshiba, or whoever).
I'm sorry, but I can't imagine having one group over one console would be a good idea.
Whereas costs to make a game might drop significantly, who's to say that, now that they only have to worry about one system, the prices go up to $100/game. After all, with no competition between consoles, we'd pay it.
You really have to look at the business side of this. I can certainly agree that a single console would be good for many areas, but you can't say, I can't say, NO ONE can say that just because there is one console, that the companies behind that one console will remain true to the consumer.
With PC gaming, you still have competition behind the Motherboards, RAM, Video Cards, etc... So even if I have to upgrade my PC with every new game, I know what I'm getting. One console? You have to have that console, so when it breaks, what keeps the Support Center honest? Nothing. They don't have to fix it in a timely matter, because it's not like you have another choice. You can go buy another one, but that just puts MORE money in their pocket.
Bottom line, unless whatever companies join to make this single console are completely honest, then the consumer WILL end up getting screwed. Sony's track record with honesty? Not so good (remember the hidden DRM with Sony CD's?) Microsoft? Yeah, a perfect example of what a monopoly can do, until MAC started making a comeback.
If these two companies have anything to do with it, rest assured that the consumer will NOT be on the winning end. The developers might, but NOT us.
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Re: Shatterdome - 2007-10-24 |
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» You missunderstand...
NEVER would multiple corporations "work together" on a single console...
Just like you said with PC parts...multiple companies make them, but they conform to a certain standard so that all parts will run basically the same.
This would be the same boat and is EXACTLLY like DVD...or now BD/HDDVD...
The FORMAT would be "video games" and each participating company would have to make their system able to play the games developed....any extra features would be up to them and the extra cost associated with the features.
You seem to think corporations have control, but if we do not buy their games they have no control....I already have a hard time paying $70 for a game, they are not going to raise it.
Not to mention the only reason to do this would be to lower game prices and make the R+D costs of the developer go down.
At the core LMX I don't think you understand corporations....but think of it like blu-ray, HD-DVD, or even DVD (as said before)....it's comming to a common agreement on a standard and anything above and beyond that is up to the manufacturer of said model "player".
Really the only losers would be the corporations, as they would not be able to try and maintain a loyal base of consumers that only buy their products.....
So instead of having to buy PS3 for MGS and 360 for Halo, you could save $500 and only buy one system that plays all games.....what's wrong with that ?
NEVER would multiple corporations "work together" on a single console...
Just like you said with PC parts...multiple companies make them, but they conform to a certain standard so that all parts will run basically the same.
This would be the same boat and is EXACTLLY like DVD...or now BD/HDDVD...
The FORMAT would be "video games" and each participating company would have to make their system able to play the games developed....any extra features would be up to them and the extra cost associated with the features.
You seem to think corporations have control, but if we do not buy their games they have no control....I already have a hard time paying $70 for a game, they are not going to raise it.
Not to mention the only reason to do this would be to lower game prices and make the R+D costs of the developer go down.
At the core LMX I don't think you understand corporations....but think of it like blu-ray, HD-DVD, or even DVD (as said before)....it's comming to a common agreement on a standard and anything above and beyond that is up to the manufacturer of said model "player".
Really the only losers would be the corporations, as they would not be able to try and maintain a loyal base of consumers that only buy their products.....
So instead of having to buy PS3 for MGS and 360 for Halo, you could save $500 and only buy one system that plays all games.....what's wrong with that ?
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by rollypoly - 2007-10-24 |
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» agreed
i guess there is nothing saying that it would be made by more than one manufacturer. so i'm making an assumption here.
if it were a one console - one manufacturer industry then ,yes it would be very bad for us.
the idea behind my DVD and PC comparisons is that they are both standards used by an industry with great benefits for all.
given what happened between 2K and EA with game price competition i must say it's unlikely game competition will keep prices low. EA will just purchase exclusive rights to whatever...
i guess we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out and then boycott if it's not good for us.
if it is done correctly then it would be the dawn of a new age for gaming, devoid of exclusives and sub-par ports.
i guess there is nothing saying that it would be made by more than one manufacturer. so i'm making an assumption here.
if it were a one console - one manufacturer industry then ,yes it would be very bad for us.
the idea behind my DVD and PC comparisons is that they are both standards used by an industry with great benefits for all.
given what happened between 2K and EA with game price competition i must say it's unlikely game competition will keep prices low. EA will just purchase exclusive rights to whatever...
i guess we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out and then boycott if it's not good for us.
if it is done correctly then it would be the dawn of a new age for gaming, devoid of exclusives and sub-par ports.
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Re: lmxloco - 2007-10-24 |
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Yeah, and I hated EA for that. Boycotts work, and I'd be right there among them...I'm just worried about the negatives following greedy corporations, and if there would be enough people boycotting because consoles have become the gaming choice of late.
Then again, I'm a pessimist when it comes to these things. There are certainly positives...I'd just hate to see them get greedy, that's all.
Yeah, and I hated EA for that. Boycotts work, and I'd be right there among them...I'm just worried about the negatives following greedy corporations, and if there would be enough people boycotting because consoles have become the gaming choice of late.
Then again, I'm a pessimist when it comes to these things. There are certainly positives...I'd just hate to see them get greedy, that's all.
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