Posted Sep 28, 2006 at 12:40PM by Kyle M.
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by *****s (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» so
so this whole issue is about copyright protection?
these things are getting way to pricey to be screwing with us...
why should i pay more to stop piracy if all they'll do is charge me more anyways?
so this whole issue is about copyright protection?
these things are getting way to pricey to be screwing with us...
why should i pay more to stop piracy if all they'll do is charge me more anyways?
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by Paramore - 2006-09-28 |
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» Hmm..
The issue is that Microsoft claims they can output 1080p. In reality they can't.
The issue is that Microsoft claims they can output 1080p. In reality they can't.
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by Bigperm - 2006-09-28 |
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No, the whole issue is about having TVs that can actually accept a 1080p signal via component. The whole issue around HDMI is the DRM key used to combat piracy.
I said this before, and ill say it again. 720p is pleanty, and the difference between 720p, and 1080p is really marginal. its not like the jump between 480i (Standard def) and 720p. (Heh, now ill get called a fanboy..haha)
Now the one thing im wondering though is that MS said the 360 would only be 1080i at first. And now we have this update to 1080p. I wouldnt be supprised if this was all a marketing stategy by MS. Who knows for certain that the released specs were everything the x360 had? What if they have in the works an HDMI cable addon? What if the x360 had HDMI capabilities left under wraps becasue the software wasnt finished for launch? Its all hersay i know. But it seriously wouldnt suprise me.
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by ej_424 (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» Duh
I have a xbox 360 and they cannot output a true 1080p signal, you can acheive it through vga connection which my HD DLP Samsung has, but quite frankly i used it and think component is alot better overall picture (at least on my set). Anyway to get to the point I dont see the big deal. Once again most games are going to be developed and optimized at 720p. 1080p is just too much for most consoles to push out. I know sony is doing it with a few select titles, but let me emphasize "few". We'll have to wait and see if they actually get it done and if so what the frame rates are. Personally I'll be just fine with my 720p which most xbox 360 and PS3 games will be developed for.
I have a xbox 360 and they cannot output a true 1080p signal, you can acheive it through vga connection which my HD DLP Samsung has, but quite frankly i used it and think component is alot better overall picture (at least on my set). Anyway to get to the point I dont see the big deal. Once again most games are going to be developed and optimized at 720p. 1080p is just too much for most consoles to push out. I know sony is doing it with a few select titles, but let me emphasize "few". We'll have to wait and see if they actually get it done and if so what the frame rates are. Personally I'll be just fine with my 720p which most xbox 360 and PS3 games will be developed for.
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by Bigperm - 2006-09-28 |
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» FYI #2
The X360 will be able to output 1080p, they is really no argument in that. The issue is what TVs can input 1080p via component becasue most manufactuers just accept 1080p via HDMI. Component can carry a 1080p signal.
The X360 will be able to output 1080p, they is really no argument in that. The issue is what TVs can input 1080p via component becasue most manufactuers just accept 1080p via HDMI. Component can carry a 1080p signal.
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by Shatterdome - 2006-09-28 |
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» ...
Also if you are buying an HD tv just for your 360 then you should be getting one that accepts component....obviously otherwise you have no other way to hook it up.....and even is this AAS or whatever it is called is implemented right away (which they beleive it won't be until like 2010), it does not effect the games what so ever....
Also if you are buying an HD tv just for your 360 then you should be getting one that accepts component....obviously otherwise you have no other way to hook it up.....and even is this AAS or whatever it is called is implemented right away (which they beleive it won't be until like 2010), it does not effect the games what so ever....
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by Paramore - 2006-09-28 |
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» Yep.
1080p through upscaling :P
1080p through upscaling :P
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by Paramore - 2006-09-28 |
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It does affect the games because if you try to output native 1080p, the rescriction will downscale it to 540i.
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by Zecky (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» erm lies?
the 360 can output 1080p and tvs can except 1080p signals in component. All games can be played in 1080p on any hd tv. The issue is the movies with copy protection. HDCP requires hdmi so hd-dvds with the copy protection will be downscaled. 5 out of 6 hd-dvd companies have said they will not use this protection while one is undecided. It really is a dead issue. HDMI is not required for 1080p games and i probably isnt for 1080p movies either.
the 360 can output 1080p and tvs can except 1080p signals in component. All games can be played in 1080p on any hd tv. The issue is the movies with copy protection. HDCP requires hdmi so hd-dvds with the copy protection will be downscaled. 5 out of 6 hd-dvd companies have said they will not use this protection while one is undecided. It really is a dead issue. HDMI is not required for 1080p games and i probably isnt for 1080p movies either.
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by THE ROADIE - 2006-09-28 |
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"I have a xbox 360 and they cannot output a true 1080p signal"
Its in the Autumn update.
You wont see the difference between 1080p and 720p on a HDTV with a screen size lower than 50".
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by - (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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hahaha suck ***** xbox150 fanboys. the 150 without hdmi by M$ is another reason why the xbox was a rushed console.
hahahahha
PS3 FTW!!!
hahaha suck ***** xbox150 fanboys. the 150 without hdmi by M$ is another reason why the xbox was a rushed console.
hahahahha
PS3 FTW!!!
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by Zecky (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» lol at 11
how very mature. Getting a little worried about your lack of exclusive titles why the 360 is running away with erm well all of them apart from sonys mass amount of sequals??
Dont get me wrong the ps3 is a powerful console, i think it needs to back it up with some games though i think. Its called a games console afterall.
how very mature. Getting a little worried about your lack of exclusive titles why the 360 is running away with erm well all of them apart from sonys mass amount of sequals??
Dont get me wrong the ps3 is a powerful console, i think it needs to back it up with some games though i think. Its called a games console afterall.
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by ewrwer (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» ewrewr
can someone give the above poster a straight jacket?
can someone give the above poster a straight jacket?
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by ryu (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» sad
11 really is a sad person lol. Omg I hope kellogs puts post out of buisness
11 really is a sad person lol. Omg I hope kellogs puts post out of buisness
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by ewrwer (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» ewrewr
sorry i meant a straight jacket for 11, what does FTW mean anyway?
sorry i meant a straight jacket for 11, what does FTW mean anyway?
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by Zecky (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» to 15
for the win.
for the win.
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by Mr. Common Sense (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» Microsoft will figure something out
I don't know if it's possible, but if they could simply make a HDMI cable, problem solved. They would need to have the copy protection bulls*it built into the cable, but the XBOX itself has all the right pin outs built in. It might cost $60 or more, but if Microsoft made the announcment, I would think they have a plan other than buy a new TV.
I don't know if it's possible, but if they could simply make a HDMI cable, problem solved. They would need to have the copy protection bulls*it built into the cable, but the XBOX itself has all the right pin outs built in. It might cost $60 or more, but if Microsoft made the announcment, I would think they have a plan other than buy a new TV.
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by casket basket - 2006-09-28 |
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» what
whats the difference between 1080i and p anyway. i know that it stands for progressive and interlaced, but is there really a visual difference?
whats the difference between 1080i and p anyway. i know that it stands for progressive and interlaced, but is there really a visual difference?
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by ewrwer (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» ewrewr
for the win? that makes sense. my best guess for what it meant was f**k the world
for the win? that makes sense. my best guess for what it meant was f**k the world
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by Mr. Square (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» >> to 18.
Interlaced means its really only showing half the lines on the screen as the number, so 1080i = 540 lines at once,... half the resolution of 1080p and also lower than 720p
people who say 1080i > 720p are completely moronic and need to go back to Devry to get their computer degree.
The End
Interlaced means its really only showing half the lines on the screen as the number, so 1080i = 540 lines at once,... half the resolution of 1080p and also lower than 720p
people who say 1080i > 720p are completely moronic and need to go back to Devry to get their computer degree.
The End
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by Mr. Common Sense (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» interlaced and progressive scan
The difference between interlaced and progressive scan is how the horizontal lines are drawn on the screen. Interlaced skips every other row on one frame, then draws the skipped lines on the next frame. Progressive scan draws all the lines in order. The difference is a slight flicker in interlaced, but it is really only noticable on low resolution like 480i. The difference between 1080i and 1080p would be hard to see unless you have a big screen, even then it wouldn't make much difference.
The difference between interlaced and progressive scan is how the horizontal lines are drawn on the screen. Interlaced skips every other row on one frame, then draws the skipped lines on the next frame. Progressive scan draws all the lines in order. The difference is a slight flicker in interlaced, but it is really only noticable on low resolution like 480i. The difference between 1080i and 1080p would be hard to see unless you have a big screen, even then it wouldn't make much difference.
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by Zecky (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» hdmi
MS said if hdmi was needed due to copy protection they would release a hdmi cable, until that day they say its not needed. And they are correct.
MS said if hdmi was needed due to copy protection they would release a hdmi cable, until that day they say its not needed. And they are correct.
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by Vietone - 2006-09-28 |
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» 1080p TVs are few and few people have em
One thing to make clear. You wont find any "new" or "recently old" TVs that accept 1080 through component.
Whats the difference between 720p and 1080p. Very very big.
720p is like 1280x768
1080p is like 1600x1200
The problem with 1080p is its sharp, extremely sharp. SO the bigger the display the better. 720p had its advantages. Obviously its not gonna be leaps and bounds difference, but then again you dont notice the difference between a 4megapixel image and a 8megapixel image.
Why? Because you dont have a display large enough to show it in its native size.
So yes, 1080p is for people who have huge screens. I have 100", so 1080p is something I will need to take full advantage of my display.
Those of you who think you can buy any 1080p tv and get 1080 through analog connections are misled. There hasnt been a 1080p component or VGA TV in a reasonable price range ever. They are alot more expensive then TVs with HDMI 1080p inputs.
Also nearly all TVs that do support 1080p signals through analog connection are force to have it downgraded to 1080i before it goes through the TVs processing.
Analog 1080p processing units were considered not to be profitable. Because at the time DVI was being included in TVs. HDMI was designed from DVI. The only real difference is that HDMI also has audio singals. Few companys, very few, ever released a chip that could process a 1080p signal through component. So thats why they are expensive and you wont find them in retail stores because there isnt a demand for them.
Thats why when TVs say they can accept 1080p through component, what it really does is downconvert the signal to 1080i and then upconverts it again to 1080p. makes no sense does it. But then again remember back in 2005 when TVs upscaled all signals to 1080p but didnt accept any 1080p signals? This is the same thing happening. You can check all the reviews for 1080p TVs. You only get "true" 1080 images from a HDMI signal. Analog signals are forced to be converted to 1080i then upscaled to 1080p again.
One thing to make clear. You wont find any "new" or "recently old" TVs that accept 1080 through component.
Whats the difference between 720p and 1080p. Very very big.
720p is like 1280x768
1080p is like 1600x1200
The problem with 1080p is its sharp, extremely sharp. SO the bigger the display the better. 720p had its advantages. Obviously its not gonna be leaps and bounds difference, but then again you dont notice the difference between a 4megapixel image and a 8megapixel image.
Why? Because you dont have a display large enough to show it in its native size.
So yes, 1080p is for people who have huge screens. I have 100", so 1080p is something I will need to take full advantage of my display.
Those of you who think you can buy any 1080p tv and get 1080 through analog connections are misled. There hasnt been a 1080p component or VGA TV in a reasonable price range ever. They are alot more expensive then TVs with HDMI 1080p inputs.
Also nearly all TVs that do support 1080p signals through analog connection are force to have it downgraded to 1080i before it goes through the TVs processing.
Analog 1080p processing units were considered not to be profitable. Because at the time DVI was being included in TVs. HDMI was designed from DVI. The only real difference is that HDMI also has audio singals. Few companys, very few, ever released a chip that could process a 1080p signal through component. So thats why they are expensive and you wont find them in retail stores because there isnt a demand for them.
Thats why when TVs say they can accept 1080p through component, what it really does is downconvert the signal to 1080i and then upconverts it again to 1080p. makes no sense does it. But then again remember back in 2005 when TVs upscaled all signals to 1080p but didnt accept any 1080p signals? This is the same thing happening. You can check all the reviews for 1080p TVs. You only get "true" 1080 images from a HDMI signal. Analog signals are forced to be converted to 1080i then upscaled to 1080p again.
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by kura (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» And they will be able to do that how?
I think it's physically impossible
I think it's physically impossible
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by Zecky (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» to 23
I was tempted to stop reading when you said the 1080p resolution lol.
Its 1920 × 1080.
Also ive never heard of this downscaling the video then interlacing it. Im pretty sure all the tvs ive seen run in 1080p with any connection. Wether you connect it through vga, dvi, hdmi, component. Also if it didnt work in 1080p threw component which im sure it does. Whats the big problem with vga to dvi converters. I mean they are really cheap. Most tvs that come with hdmi have dvi aswell or vga. I find people just try to find faults. Do you think MS just twidle thier thumbs and go right lets upgrade our console knowing that most hd tvs user wont be able to use it. I really doubt it.
I was tempted to stop reading when you said the 1080p resolution lol.
Its 1920 × 1080.
Also ive never heard of this downscaling the video then interlacing it. Im pretty sure all the tvs ive seen run in 1080p with any connection. Wether you connect it through vga, dvi, hdmi, component. Also if it didnt work in 1080p threw component which im sure it does. Whats the big problem with vga to dvi converters. I mean they are really cheap. Most tvs that come with hdmi have dvi aswell or vga. I find people just try to find faults. Do you think MS just twidle thier thumbs and go right lets upgrade our console knowing that most hd tvs user wont be able to use it. I really doubt it.
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by Erick (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» ??
"And they will be able to do that how?
I think it's physically impossible"
Ya I also think, the xbox can't achieve 1080P, and upscaling it will only make things worse.
"And they will be able to do that how?
I think it's physically impossible"
Ya I also think, the xbox can't achieve 1080P, and upscaling it will only make things worse.
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by SDTVuser (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» hail sdtv
good to see sony and microsoft duking it out over 1% of th epeople out there.good luck to them on that.
should someone tell them that video games haven't hit it that big yet where people alter thier living room just to play a game at a higher resolution.
by the time this stuff is standard we'll be moving on to the xbox3 and playstation4.
good to see sony and microsoft duking it out over 1% of th epeople out there.good luck to them on that.
should someone tell them that video games haven't hit it that big yet where people alter thier living room just to play a game at a higher resolution.
by the time this stuff is standard we'll be moving on to the xbox3 and playstation4.
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by mor911 - 2006-09-28 |
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Calm down people.... They'll probably announce a stupid HDMI cable soon.
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by SX86 - 2006-09-28 |
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» to 25 (correction)
720p is 1280x720
1080p is 1920x1080
720p is 1280x720
1080p is 1920x1080
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by hahahahaha (Unregistered) - 2006-09-28 |
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» ahhaah
LISTEN UP YOU ASS RAMMING NEGROS!!!!!!! THERE IS NO VISUAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1080i AND 1080P SO ***** OFF!!!!
LISTEN UP YOU ASS RAMMING NEGROS!!!!!!! THERE IS NO VISUAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1080i AND 1080P SO ***** OFF!!!!
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